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[0:01] Robert Bannon: Are you ready? It's The Roundtable with me, Robert Bannon.

[0:09] Robert Bannon: Well, everybody, welcome to The Roundtable. My name is Robert Bannon. You're listening to us on Broadway World, the Broadway Podcast Network, iHeart, Spotify, wherever artists are talking about art.

[0:18] Robert Bannon: I am excited about our next guest because she is an incredible, I don't know, she's done it all with this show. This show has literally been on a tour. This show has played everywhere from theaters to synagogues to burlesque halls, and it is coming to Dumbo for eight performances on Tuesdays in October and November.

[0:39] Robert Bannon: I've learned a lot about her. This is what I've learned about her already. She's a teacher. She taught. She writes. She acts. There's a cat in her life. She's in Massachusetts. She's got a show that wins awards. And what is she talking about? And what does it mean to be too fat for China? I don't know. We're going to find out.

[1:01] Robert Bannon: Phoebe, you're here.

[1:02] Phoebe Potts: Yes, and I was already interrupting you, which I...

[1:04] Robert Bannon: That's good. That means you're going to be a spicy guest. I like a spicy guest. Keep me on my toes, Phoebe.

[1:11] Phoebe Potts: Thank you, thank you, thank you for having me. I'm so happy to be here.

[1:15] Phoebe Potts: I'm so excited to be here.

[1:17] Robert Bannon: What do you describe yourself as what you do?

[1:21] Phoebe Potts: Oh, I would say I'm a cranky artist performer.

[1:27] Robert Bannon: You fit in the right place.

[1:31] Robert Bannon: What is your art form primarily?

[1:33] Phoebe Potts: Primarily, it is, I perform stories about myself. And the show that I'm doing is... That's enough. That's enough of that. You just wanted a brief answer.

[1:47] Robert Bannon: No, I like long answers, short answers. I don't discriminate against any answers.

[1:53] Phoebe Potts: So I perform stories about myself. And I because I started off as a cartoonist, I bring my cartoons on stage with me.

[2:05] Robert Bannon: Yeah.

[2:06] Robert Bannon: You draw too?

[2:07] Phoebe Potts: Yeah, well, I don't draw on stage. I bring the drawings on stage.

[2:11] Robert Bannon: But off stage you draw?

[2:13] Phoebe Potts: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[2:15] Robert Bannon: What kind of cartoons?

[2:17] Phoebe Potts: So I did a graphic memoir, which sounds like the history of my sex life, which isn't accurate, but that's what they call comic books that are about yourself, called Good Eggs.

[2:27] Phoebe Potts: And it was about fertility and art and Judaism. And then the sequel was Too Fat for China. But instead of turning that into a book, after I drew it, I turned it into a show.

[2:39] Robert Bannon: So graphic novels, all the rage, graphic memoir, you drawing yourself.

[2:44] Phoebe Potts: Yes.

[2:45] Robert Bannon: Telling your story.

[2:46] Phoebe Potts: Yes.

[2:47] Robert Bannon: That's very funny. It's a book about my sex life. And then you called it, and then it's about fertility. So I'm sure there's somebody doing something.

[2:54] Phoebe Potts: I mean, it's absolutely, somebody's getting something somewhere.

[2:58] Robert Bannon: So the book, is the book available? People can order the book? They could buy the book?

[3:03] Phoebe Potts: Yes, I think it's like 34 cents on Amazon now because it's, it came out in 2010. So it's been out for a while. But yes, you could totally get it. It's Raz Chast of The New Yorker, loved it.

[3:15] Phoebe Potts: And, yes, and so this, the, you don't need to have read the book to enjoy or understand the show.

[3:24] Phoebe Potts: But for me, it was a sequential thing.

[3:29] Robert Bannon: I think you should buy the book. You should read the book. You should bring the book to the show. Maybe she'll walk out the stage door and sign the book. And you guys can have a full, whole Phoebe experience.

[3:39] Phoebe Potts: Yes. Or you could also get it from your local library because it is in a lot of libraries.

[3:43] Robert Bannon: That's even better and cuter. Or buy it at a bookstore and let them order it and keep bookstores alive.

[3:48] Phoebe Potts: Yes, let's do those things.

[3:50] Robert Bannon: You know, this is not what this interview is about. I have a very conflicted life with Amazon because like me and Amazon don't like each other. But sometimes I focus to come to the convenience of it. And I'm sorry.

[4:03] Phoebe Potts: No, no, no. I'm glad you said that. I said Amazon almost out of habit. We are no longer, we've removed the tentacles of Amazon from our family. I can't support it. I can't support what they do to workers.

[4:16] Phoebe Potts: I can't support what they do to workers. I have nephews who have worked in their warehouses as they got out of school because they offer them jobs.

[4:23] Phoebe Potts: They come to cities like Detroit. They build these mega factories. They offer them money and the working conditions and what they go through.

[4:30] Phoebe Potts: And now they do drones in Detroit where the drones drop your boxes off. And they're very scary. They're gigantic.

[4:36] Phoebe Potts: It feels like the world is going to come to an end, which it might.

[4:40] Phoebe Potts: The world is quite on fire and I just can't support people who don't support me.

[4:45] Phoebe Potts: And I don't mean that in a financial way. Like in my personal life, I have a husband. I live in a city that is very diverse and I feel like they deserve better.

[4:55] Robert Bannon: Yes. Amen.

[4:56] Phoebe Potts: Thank you, Phoebe.

[4:57] Phoebe Potts: Absolutely.

[4:58] Phoebe Potts: That was my soapbox moment of the day.

[5:00] Robert Bannon: Yeah.

[5:02] Phoebe Potts: But creating art is the way to contradict and fight against all of the oppression and all of the different ways.

[5:08] Robert Bannon: May I mention something about religion to you?

[5:11] Phoebe Potts: Yes, please.

[5:12] Robert Bannon: So before we started this interview, you said you were Jewish and then you said you were Jew-ish.

[5:18] Phoebe Potts: Correct.

[5:20] Robert Bannon: We are in a scary time for Jewish people.

[5:23] Robert Bannon: Anti-Semitism is really on the rise and there's a lot of controversy around things that I never thought were controversial before.

[5:31] Robert Bannon: How do you succumb or feel or what's your thoughts and feelings on the way the world is right now about your culture, religion and history?

[5:41] Phoebe Potts: I mean, I'm white in America, which I think trumps everything, not to use that word in that, you know, not to evoke that name.

[5:53] Phoebe Potts: But I think the fact that I get to move through the world as a white person who has a mortgage and we have health care because my husband's in a union has put me way away, like far and away in a much safer place than so many people.

[6:13] Phoebe Potts: And I think the I mean, my favorite thing to ask is follow the money.

[6:20] Phoebe Potts: Like who is who benefits from making us so afraid of each other and who benefits from having a stronger police force and who benefits from paying Amazon workers nothing and making them pee in jugs so they don't have bathroom breaks?

[6:34] Phoebe Potts: Like I think those are the things that are actually much I think the it's not that anti-Semitism is a red herring, obviously not as part of our history.

[6:44] Phoebe Potts: I don't I think, though, what is making us infinitely less safe is.

[6:51] Phoebe Potts: This basically just making the gap between wealthy and poor just so ridiculous, and that's what makes communities unsafe, and that's what I mean, I live in a community that is not at all predominantly Jewish, but I was a professional Jew here for 20 years and I always felt safe because I know everybody in my community.

[7:17] Phoebe Potts: I'm like an unofficial mayor and I made it my business to get to know all my non-Jewish neighbors.

[7:24] Phoebe Potts: And that's what makes me feel safe is that my son is black and so he's a black Jew in America, which is like that's a lot of identity stuff.

[7:34] Phoebe Potts: And I know that his safety is much more at risk by moving around in black skin than because he is because he's a Jewish person.

[7:49] Phoebe Potts: And again, it sounds sort of like I'm rating how scary things are for people.

[7:53] Phoebe Potts: I don't mean to do that. I just I think to look at.

[7:59] Phoebe Potts: I think we have to remember the power that that that the tremendous economic and political power we do have because we are white.

[8:07] Phoebe Potts: Yes, or at least because those of us who are white, we're also Jews.

[8:11] Phoebe Potts: I don't want to exclude people.

[8:13] Phoebe Potts: And so that's I think that's where I come down is like, really, how how unsafe am I and what are the things that make make people unsafe?

[8:23] Robert Bannon: Well, you know, I was laughing in my head, Phoebe, while I was talking to you, because right before we hit record, I promised Phoebe that it would be easy questions and nothing would be hard.

[8:34] Robert Bannon: And then I said to her, what do you think?

[8:37] Robert Bannon: And so I apologize for that setup.

[8:40] Phoebe Potts: It felt like a setup and I didn't mean to.

[8:43] Robert Bannon: And I really relate to what you say, because no matter how I, you know, I'm a gay American, but I'm a white gay American.

[8:51] Robert Bannon: My husband is a black gay American.

[8:53] Robert Bannon: And the way he navigates the life and the expectations of him are vastly different than they are for me.

[8:59] Robert Bannon: And his experiences and the traumas and the way he's been treated by this world is vastly different than me.

[9:06] Robert Bannon: And I don't and we fostered babies that are are children of color that have had very different experience than I did growing up.

[9:15] Robert Bannon: And if we all can understand where people are coming from and what they've experienced and that we all have similar struggles and some people have a way worse than others and we just accept the humanity.

[9:27] Robert Bannon: I think we would all be a better place.

[9:29] Phoebe Potts: Is that wrong?

[9:30] Phoebe Potts: No, I think that's right.

[9:32] Phoebe Potts: And I think I think there's a lot of storytelling that's been done to make us think we are different and that we are to fear each other.

[9:40] Phoebe Potts: And that's when you said before we have to do art because the world is on fire.

[9:44] Phoebe Potts: I mean, I sometimes get up in the morning and I'm like, who's looking for me?

[9:47] Phoebe Potts: Like, no one wants like I can't wait to see what Phoebe drew today.

[9:50] Phoebe Potts: Like, I don't feel like that's true.

[9:53] Phoebe Potts: And I think that we we need to put out other stories that show.

[9:59] Phoebe Potts: I mean, there's a story that gets told every day at my son's school to public school where they say the Pledge of Allegiance.

[10:05] Phoebe Potts: And if we look at that text.

[10:07] Phoebe Potts: That's not actually a true story, what they're saying, one nation under God, like, who's God, you know, it's like, it's so, and yet, the reason they start, I think, start teaching it to them really young is that they're trying to turn out what, what, I don't know, the state view is, what is an American? Right, though, I'm like, wait, that's not the America that I'm seeing right now. And that's not actually, that's not you and your husband, and my neighbors from the Congo, it's not actually, that's not the story. And so I think we, our stories really do need to be promoted and in the ether. So people be like, Oh, wait, this isn't accurate. And that's why you come in. And you, you know, I teaching for many years, I taught a lot of them, first generation Americans who came from Central and South America.

And when you would say to them, the first chapter in a history book was say, what is an American and they would point at me. And I don't think and I the same thing might happen with my students today who are predominantly black kids, you know, within the city. I think that until we all feel a piece of this country, and we have a stake and an ownership in it. You know, that's the only way hopefully things change. Where can we see your, where can we see your cartoons? Are they political? Or are they like the little Kathy lady on a mug? Like, Kathy, she was always so miserable. Happy lady.

[11:32] Phoebe Potts: Um, okay, so you can, I put I do a comic called fetch and release, which I do every Wednesday on. And I posted on Instagram and Facebook. So you can just look up Phoebe Potts or get me Phoebe Potts. And is my Instagram handle. And then the show too fat for China has this basically a vertical Torah, like it's a huge, six foot wide scroll, that's hundreds of feet that I scroll through as I'm telling the story. And it's, and it's all my comics. Amazing. I'm excited. I can't wait to check it out. Yeah, that is the funniest title I've ever heard. What is too fat for China about?

[12:15] Phoebe Potts: So I was literally too fat for China, my when, when fertility treatments didn't work, I still really wanted to become a parent, my husband and I turned to adoption. And at first glance, the adoption landscape, there are so many countries back then, this is 2009, you could adopt, you know, you could adopt internationally or domestically. And when I look closely at the brochures I was getting, with gorgeous little children on them and little angel wings and little halos on their heads. Um, China said that they had a, there was a body mass index number, you could not be above this is real, it's totally real. It's in black and white, I still have the brochures. And it couldn't be above a 29. And I was definitely above a 29.

And the other thing they said is you couldn't be taking antidepressants. And so they didn't want any fat, happy Americans. And be out. I was just like, also, you're gonna How are you gonna claw my my Zoloft away from me? Like, how are we supposed to parent without Zoloft? I, it was amazing. I didn't actually China wasn't on my list. I wanted. I had always wanted to, once we decided we wanted to adopt, I really wanted to adopt from Ethiopia, because barring a genetic connection with the child, I wanted a mythological connection. So I wanted to an ancient spiritual connection. And Ethiopia has, I wanted a story talking about stories that I could tell this child that could connect us. And so Ethiopia had an ancient Jewish connection.

It's at the other, it's at the source of the Nile, the other end of the Nile, it's like the Cadillac of adoption stories, Moses, and Sheba and Solomon. And it's also the birthplace of humanity, Lucy in the Rift Valley. So I felt like with those, those are stories that we could tell in our family that say, you know, this is this is these are the things that connect us. So China wasn't an option, but it, I started to understand, oh, this is a, this is a capricious and rapacious business. And I'm, I'm getting involved in it, because I want that baby. And then talk about whiteness, I found that my whiteness and the fact that I had a mortgage was what really mattered. And so suddenly, I'm in a not so suddenly, I mean, it took years, I was in trying to hold on to my morals and values and yet be part of a business that was playing pretty fast and loose with poor women.

So you're not you're right. You said foster. So you know, you know, you know, you know, yeah, you know, it's a very I feel very, I don't have an adopted kid yet. But for people who choose to or decide to or need to adopt and go through a system, I don't think this country has done a very good job of explaining what the system's like. I don't think they do a good job of explaining what it's like in the country or abroad. I don't think they do a good job of explaining what it's like. The laws, the red tape, the foster psych system. And, and where I could go on a whole, I could talk to you for three hours. And I've only.

[15:49] Robert Bannon: Yes, we could. Yes.

[15:52] Phoebe Potts: Where is your son from? If you don't mind me asking?

[15:54] Robert Bannon: He's from Ethiopia. He's from a city or village called Zawai. And we got, we met him online. We started online dating with him when he was three months, we got to meet him in person when he was a year and we brought him home to us at 15 months. But you will make me cry.

[16:13] Phoebe Potts: Oh, how old is he now?

[16:17] Robert Bannon: Okay, he's 16.

[16:20] Phoebe Potts: See, you have a grown man like you raised a.

[16:22] Robert Bannon: He's a man. He's a man.

[16:25] Phoebe Potts: I don't know you and I feel like you're a grown man.

[16:28] Robert Bannon: He's a man.

[16:29] Phoebe Potts: I don't know you and I feel very nosy. So I'm sorry. And I want people to buy tickets, please buy tickets, buy tickets, buy tickets. We're going to talk about that in a second. How did you handle race and also his story? Like how did you? I know people probably have asked you out of community adoption and foster communities seem to really rely on one another. I'm sure you've helped other people who have been through it that you've been through it. I hope somebody helped you. So I don't mind me asking now I'm being selfish listeners. So just sit down. Just mind your business. So Phoebe, how did you deal with telling him the story? And how has he gotten older? Has his feelings changed? Does he have questions? Do you have to have tough conversations sometimes? Or he's just like, I'm chill about it.

[17:12] Phoebe Potts: He's, um, so first of all, he's a marvelous person. I when we hit the jackpot with this kid, he's he's just a lovely he's a mensch. He's a he's a good, good person. And I feel lucky to know him. And I think I was pretty cavalier about I knew race was going. I wanted to know more about race like I was so much of of being an adoptive parent. I think at least those of us who went off on these journeys and lay down all this money, you can't help but feel on some level like a customer. A lot of people say like, Oh, you're a saint. Isn't it wonderful? You did this, you save this life. I don't actually, I very much wanted it much the same way as I've been trained to be an American who wants things.

So I felt entitled to it. So I want to say that because even though I I knew race was was going to be a major thing, and we were white people raising someone black, I I think I just had the hubris to think, well, this will be an adventure. And we're smart people, and we will figure this out together. And it wasn't until he was nine years old, and George Floyd was murdered. And we all had a moment or more than a moment because of the pandemic to actually do some reading and some studying. And there were a million resources online with meetings and talks that I was like, Oh, I thought I knew something because I knew about Frederick Douglass. And I knew about capitalism. But really, I and I and it's not to say that I know everything now either.

But I the fact is, I do not know what his experience is like. And so I range from making a fool of myself to to just to making some real mistakes, I think. I definitely throw my whiteness around like around school. So for years now, I have gone to school on the first day of school just to announce that his mother is white. Like don't mess with us. Don't don't don't sideline my kid. Because you see this quiet black boy. And like his mom is white, and she's loud.

[19:29] Robert Bannon: So this is the difference between you and me. We fostered a baby for six months. She was a year she was supposed to be adopted her grandparent. I probably should not say this publicly, but her her grandparents have her she's fine, but it was a very contentious. Not a great, not did not go the way we were told to go. We're not told the full story. We're made it they make a decision within two days after you've taken care of them. I and I it's a whole saga that that in my life. And my husband, it's so funny because my husband is black. So the way he handles things in the way my white privilege handles things are very different. And I make him cringe because I do you curse Phoebe? Sure, go for it. Okay, I'm.

[20:15] Phoebe Potts: I don't give a fuck about what they feel, and I'm going to tell you how I feel, and I know you're not going to do anything to me. He doesn't live in that world. He gets scared. He has to act a certain way, be polite in a certain way, and I'm the one in the social worker's face. I'm the one that's going to go to school and make sure you don't mess with my kid. Right. It makes him be like, that's not, no, I dare you to pull me over, police officer. And my reaction, his reaction is very different. So I laugh at you because I was that person. I'm that person throwing around my whiteness as well. Right. I'm like, go ahead, give it a try. Go ahead, I dare you to try. And that's not everyone's experience at all.

No, it really isn't. And also like the, you know, I have wonderful friends, but there's only a handful who really are willing to understand what's happening with race in this country. Like, I have friends who like, you know, they voted for Obama, they voted for Kamala, but they are not, they don't really get it. And they, I think they roll their eyes a little bit when I'm like, well, for my kid, that's going to be different. And so finding other adoptive parents really important, but also some of the best advice I got was like, let him see you love black people. And I was like, okay, I think black people don't necessarily need my love, but boy, do I need to show him that? And it has pushed me out of my comfort zone so often.

And so that he can just see that like, it's not, he's not like a special object, which is what adoption can kind of make kids feel like, but that they, yeah, that we really do, we really don't just protect our own, that we are trying to actually protect our entire community. Wait, you've made me think of something I did that was really dumb. Oh, yeah. One of the things I do, because we do live in our cities are a big immigrant city. It's been an immigrant city since it was stolen from the native people 400 years ago. And, and yet, the brown and black people tend to come from Brazil, or part of the African diaspora, they're not necessarily African American or, or from Africa, like, like my son.

But every time I see a black person walking on the street, I become unhinged. I'm like, I do this huge smile. And it looks like I'm either gonna bite them. Like, it's like, hi, hi. And I'm, I'm the crazy white lady. And it hasn't gotten me in a ton of trouble yet. But it's gonna.

[22:49] Robert Bannon: No, no, no, that's good. That's good. So I think I've been embarrassing to my kid. I also I went through all his coloring books when I was coloring books, his picture books as a kid, like whenever they show Greeks, or Egyptians, they always do them as white. Because I raised him in our Jewish school, because I taught there Moses always white. Nope, I went through with a colored pencil. And I colored them all in. And I got that idea from the actor Daveed Diggs, his mom was white and Jewish. And that's what she did to his books. And I love that. And I love Daveed. And I, and I think that's, you know, I think of that all the time, growing up as Catholic, you know, this image of Jesus, he didn't, Jesus did not look like that, y'all.

Like, he, he looked like the people that you tried to not let come in this country. And that's the truth. So keep, keep with your narrative to what it is. I think is your show have anything to do with what we just talked about? Completely, completely. Okay, good. Yes. Thank you. China's like, I realized the sort of the world that I'm in, once I realized that they're saying, like, well, you can't be fat, you can't be an antidepressant, you need to have this much money. And I, I start pulling, I go through the process. Really, we go on a quest for a baby, we have adoption go terribly wrong in Ohio, we end up going to Ethiopia. And it comes to this moment where I have to sort of own what it is that I'm doing.

And that I would do it again, like that, that I would do it because I wanted this so much. So I send the audience through a lot of pathos, but the end is, is, at least in that moment is a wonderful end, because there is a baby at the end of it. What does your son think of this?

[24:42] Phoebe Potts: Um, I think, uh, he's seen it a gurgling times, he's been a tech for me on it. He was my like, he and my husband were my roadies when we went to the Edinburgh Fringe for a month. So it's part of his understanding of the world. It is our lore. Um, this, I'm not avoiding the question. But the truth is, I don't really know, like where it lands with him right now. I think he's proud that I do this kind of work. It's different. And, um, and I think that it may, I'm really glad I ended the show right when he came into our lives, so that I'm not telling his story. I love that. Yeah, that's beautiful. It's directed everybody by Christopher Griffin. It is going to be from October 6 to November 24. There's eight performances, the sixth, 13th, the 20th, the 27th, third, the 10th, the 17th, 24th.

It's at 630. So you can get out of work, you could head to the Rat NYC right there in Dumbo, Brooklyn, eat a slice of pizza, go see the show. It's only an hour, it'll end at 730. Go have a drink, go have dinner, talk about it, and have a discussion with your friends and family. What's it feel like to be having this run in New York City?

[26:53] Phoebe Potts: I'm so excited. I'm originally from Brooklyn. So I'm so excited to be going home. I'm like, thrilled that I get to go to the motherland to do this show. You come right to fancy dancy Dumbo right underneath the Brooklyn Bridge in the hottest, poppiest part of the city. So what, who do you think should come see this? What if I'm not adopting kids? What if I'm not Jewish?

[27:14] Phoebe Potts: Right. So I think you should come if you're a person who has been in a family. And you're older than 13. That is a pretty good marketable. Because it's not just that it's a whole story about it's a love story. And about the terrible, terrible things I did for love, which I think most people can relate to.

[27:29] Phoebe Potts: Which one is talking out loud about every single feeling?

[27:34] Robert Bannon: I love that. That's what if what if people are on their own family journey? What what advice do you have if they feel frustrated or they feel discouraged?

[27:38] Robert Bannon: This all sounds right on the nose for me in a lot of ways. Many ways. I mean, I live in Detroit for love. I I'm not Jewish, but I think Italian and Jewish is the same thing.

[27:42] Phoebe Potts: Well, my husband said once because it's it it is it's very it's very hard and you're part of something that doesn't the business of it feels pretty gross. My husband would say nothing we feel is wrong, not that we every feeling is correct. We just don't necessarily need to act on every feeling and lean on people like like talk to other people who are farther down the line on you than you. I think that is because if because it is it's like anything else. It's incredibly hard and there's no guarantees and it takes a while and I also really want to say because there's so much out there right now adult adoptees are have podcasts they have books out. Lions roaring far from home is one about Ethiopian adoptees like there's so much good stuff out there from adult adoptees that I would read before and during the adoption process.

[27:49] Phoebe Potts: The same, exactly the same.

[27:50] Robert Bannon: So I get I get you, Phoebe. I'm going to be following you. You're all going to be following her, too. We're going to buy her book. We're going to see her show. We're going to follow her on Instagram so that every week we can see her new cartoons that are up and out. And I hope you come back. And I want to send love to you, your husband, your son, and to your your family. And thank you for being brave to tell the story, because for somebody. I don't want to say there's a stigma about it, but there is a stigma about it. And I know people have a lot of questions. They sometimes say really crazy things when you talk about adoption and they say and they don't I don't think they mean to be offensive to you. Do you have any advice for people who want to take the route that you took?

[28:36] Robert Bannon: That's great advice. I've kind of become obsessed with you Phoebe. I love you. I want to know about Detroit about teaching and I love you. I think we would be really good friends. I think I think I have to be your friend Phoebe. It's great. It's done. I'm your friend. Everybody if you're my friend buy a ticket go see the show by her book support her and her journey and I can't wait for the best agenda. I hope you come on all the time come back whenever you want.

[29:04] Phoebe Potts: I'm gonna I'm gonna thank you. Do you go by Robert or Bobby or call me whatever you want. My dad calls me.

[29:08] Robert Bannon: I love that. I like Babala and I like to eat Babala likes to eat chocolate. And I'm here for Babka. I'm here for all of it. I'm here for all my dad.

[29:28] Robert Bannon: So my story is I've always went by my dad and my mom and my brother always call me Bobby Bobby Bob Bobby Bobby Bobby. I walked into kindergarten and told my teacher said what do you want to be called and I said my name is Robert. Okay. Okay. I don't know why but it's stuck. I like I like five-year-old Robert. It's Robert. Now does my dad and mom and brother still call me Bob and Bobby. Of course they do. But if someone else said it I wouldn't even register in my mind because I so so it's funny.

[30:02] Robert Bannon: All right Robert. Robert and Phoebe. Thank you for being here. Thank you so much. This was wonderful. Wonderful. Okay. The best.