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[0:00] Quincy Brown: I was also still in that opening phase where there was a lot of like food being sent to me all the time and like treats and stuff. So I'd like walk everything to the green room, which is wild to think about people using their bare hands to like take community food. I know. Never again. I can't even watch TV anymore. It gives me anxiety to see people so stressful. It's so stressful. When people shake hands on TV shows, I'm like, this is a period piece.

[0:23] Kevin Bianchi: My name's Quincy.

[0:24] Quincy Brown: My name's Kevin. And this is Sentimental Men. But keep your thumb away from that skip button. We're here to talk and maybe scream about our favorite women in musical theater.

[0:40] Kevin Bianchi: Hi, guys. Welcome back. Oh, my gosh. Quincy, do you think anyone's listening to our second episode?

[0:48] Quincy Brown: I mean, definitely my mother is. How are you, Kevin?

[0:54] Kevin Bianchi: How am I? I am good. I am back at work. And as you know, I work down the street from the Gershwins. So every time I look out the window in my office building, I see that billboard that's like brains, heart, courage, wicked.

[1:07] Quincy Brown: And also you sent me today. I mean, who knows when this when you guys will be hearing this, but you sent me the picture of the Music Man marquee that went up today.

[1:14] Kevin Bianchi: I did. It's so funny. I was walking from my bike to my office and I passed the Winter Garden and I saw all of the Beetlejuice stuff still up. And I was like, oh, wow, good for them that they have a presence this far after they would have been gone. And then I went out to get lunch in the middle of the day and they were putting up the Music Man stuff. It's kind of a weird feeling to see marquees go up for new Broadway shows right now just because, I mean, Broadway doesn't really exist. It kind of made me feel uncomfortable a little bit.

[1:45] Quincy Brown: Yeah, it's definitely a little weird. And I just think it's an interesting choice. It's a very declarative statement to put up billboards right now.

[1:52] Kevin Bianchi: And it's starting to feel like we'll just never see a show again.

[1:58] Quincy Brown: Maybe so. But listen, you guys can get your theater fix here at Sentimental Men Podcast. So today, today's guest, everyone.

[2:06] Kevin Bianchi: I'm pretty excited for this. And I know you are, too.

[2:09] Quincy Brown: I'm very excited. I think it's a very appropriate guest to have on first.

[2:12] Kevin Bianchi: I think so, too. She is the current quote unquote Elphaba, Lindsay Heather Pierce, who we all know from the Glee Project and Glee will be joining us in a few minutes. I was thinking, because I'm embarrassed to admit this, but Lindsay Pierce or Glee technically, but Lindsay Pierce introduced me to the songs Anything Goes and Buenos Aires.

[2:34] Quincy Brown: That's amazing.

[2:35] Kevin Bianchi: Which is the song she sang on the show, if you guys don't know, on Glee, which is embarrassing to admit. But then when you think back to it, I must have been like 11 or 12 at the time. Like that is what introduced me to Evita and Anything Goes was Lindsay Pierce's cover of the two songs on Glee.

[2:49] Quincy Brown: Yeah.

[2:50] Kevin Bianchi: Then I was like, oh, well, Glee really had a huge impact on my like theatrical like it really introduced me to a lot of musical theater.

[2:56] Quincy Brown: Yeah. I know it's very easy now to be so many years removed from Glee and kind of hate it. You know what I mean? Like it's easy to do that looking back. But at the time, it's like I had friends in high school who got interested in musical theater because of Glee. And like from my own perspective, like as a ravenous theater kid in high school, like Glee was my kind of doorway into like pop music that I was just not listening to otherwise. So as much as I can kind of groan at it now, it really was important.

[3:27] Kevin Bianchi: Very important. Yeah. And I mean, their songs were consistently charting. They were truly on top of the world when Glee was at its peak.

[3:33] Quincy Brown: Oh, it was big.

[3:34] Kevin Bianchi: Yeah. So we're really excited to have Lindsay on. Super interested to ask about her experiences Elphaba just because she took over as COVID was becoming a reality in the Broadway scene and people were kind of starting to think what's going on. So she unfortunately didn't have as long of a run pre-COVID at least as we all anticipated.

[3:55] Quincy Brown: Yeah. But what I think is unique about her is that she is of the age that like she has known this musical, I'm assuming for more than half her life at this point. You know, she is of the age where she is so she is probably as familiar with this role in this musical as we are.

[4:11] Kevin Bianchi: Which I guess Wicked is at the point where, yeah, the Elphabas now are going to be people who kind of grew up with the show, which I think is really interesting.

[4:18] Quincy Brown: So Quincy, while we wait for Lindsay, do you want to do this week's Stuck on SJB?

[4:26] Kevin Bianchi: Okay, I was doing my before bed YouTube Broadway spiral, as one does, and it was just playing one video after another and I came across a bootlegged video of Stephanie J Block in the Pirate Queen singing Woman, the song Woman, which here's the thing, that song is incredible. And I don't know, do you know the Pirate Queen?

[4:50] Quincy Brown: I know that song. I have like listened to it all the way through, probably twice.

[4:55] Kevin Bianchi: I've done it exactly once in my lifetime. But I've always known Woman and Hadley Fraser had a song in that show called I'll Be There that I auditioned for my college production of A Chorus Line With. The thing about that song, and first of all, I love seeing Stephanie J Block at like the beginning of her career. She has no idea what's in store for her. And that song is just truly phenomenal and is so difficult to sing. But it's so good that I'm confused as to why it's not done more in like cabaret settings by the other like Belty sisters out there, you know?

[5:28] Quincy Brown: Yeah, I wonder if it's just a little, well, no, I was gonna say, is it too circumstance specific? Like, I think no, it's very like self, it's very on brand, I think, for, you know, it's like self empowerment, I can do my own thing. Right? I think it's such a fantastic song. The end of it does get very, I would assume, vocally tricky. It seems like a lot. And I will say the video I'm talking about was a bootleg from back in the day. But Stephanie kind of consistently performs this song to this day. I think there's a video as like recently as last year of her doing it.

[6:00] Kevin Bianchi: Do you remember when she tweeted, this was like a year ago, but she tweeted and she was like, attention, everybody, I'm not singing anything above a D anymore. I was like, honestly, good for you.

[6:12] Quincy Brown: Well, because I remember when I saw her at Cafe Carlyle, I was like, how is she going to do this? Because this is such a tiny venue. And all her songs are belty songs. And she truly, like I was like, oh, maybe she'll tone it down. Or maybe she'll sing ballad versions of her songs.

[6:28] Kevin Bianchi: Stephanie Jeanette Block does not tone it down.

[6:31] Quincy Brown: Just belt, drop the mic, belt. It was so good. So yeah, that is our Stuck on SJB for this week.

[6:40] Kevin Bianchi: Were you in a chorus line?

[6:42] Quincy Brown: I was, yeah.

[6:43] Kevin Bianchi: Who are you?

[6:45] Quincy Brown: I was Don in a chorus line. The nightclub union.

[6:49] Kevin Bianchi: I was also in a chorus line in college.

[6:51] Quincy Brown: Wait, can I guess who you were?

[6:52] Kevin Bianchi: Sure.

[6:53] Quincy Brown: If I was going to cast Kevin in a chorus line, I would cast you as Greg or Conneria. What's his name?

[7:00] Kevin Bianchi: Mark.

[7:01] Quincy Brown: Yes, Mark.

[7:02] Kevin Bianchi: I was headband head up in the opening number. And then I got cut. And then I went and sang in the wings the whole show. But I understudied Don.

[7:11] Quincy Brown: Oh, really?

[7:12] Kevin Bianchi: Yeah, I understudied Don, Al and Bobby.

[7:15] Quincy Brown: Oh, wow. But yeah, so I think it's time to get into our conversation with Lindsay Pierce.

[7:26] Kevin Bianchi: Thank you so much for joining us, Lindsay. We're so excited.

[7:29] Lindsay Pearce: Oh my god. It's so nice to see you.

[7:31] Kevin Bianchi: I guess to start.

[7:33] Lindsay Pearce: Yes.

[7:34] Kevin Bianchi: Tell us, when did you first hear about Wicked?

[7:36] Lindsay Pearce: I think it was right when the CD dropped. I was in a like children's community theater group run by this amazing woman, Randy Linnae. And she was my first vocal coach. She was very sweet. And I knew Idina Menzel from Rent.

[7:51] Kevin Bianchi: Of course. Right.

[7:52] Lindsay Pearce: A side Rent note. I remember singing La Vie Boheme in my dining room in Modesto at the top of my lungs. And my grandfather, God rest his soul. He lived in the home at the time. And I was like screaming lyrics like, to sodomy, it's between God and me. And my mom was like, whoa.

[8:09] Kevin Bianchi: Does everyone have that moment where they sing Rent?

[8:12] Lindsay Pearce: I've had that moment. Yes.

[8:13] Lindsay Pearce: And I had no, I was like 13, 14. I had no clue what I was saying. And like, there's nothing wrong with a little sodomy. But I was literally like, oh, my, my, my mom was like, Lindsay, papa's in the house.

[8:25] Lindsay Pearce: That going back, I knew Idina Menzel. And I'd also seen the Rent film, which I think was after Wicked.

[8:32] Kevin Bianchi: Yeah.

[8:32] Lindsay Pearce: And I remember that original cast album of Rent and then Idina being in Wicked. And I was like, man, that voice is insane. And I, all of the girls in that community theater group would always want to sing Glinda or Elphaba. And then like, I'd be like, let's have terrible Glee preserves. Like I was never allowed to sing the other stuff. And it wasn't like mean spirit. It was just like everybody had their roles. And I was like, look at her, she's Wicked. Get her!

[9:01] Kevin Bianchi: Have any of those other girls reached out in the last year to apologize?

[9:07] Lindsay Pearce: No, no. But I do remember once, I do remember once there was a girl named Caroline. Hi, Caroline, if you're listening to this, you were always very nice to me. Thank you. But I remember her and I going to like the county fair in Modesto and singing for good. I think that's the first time I ever sang Wicked to an audience. And I'm sure it was forgettable.

[9:29] Kevin Bianchi: Were you singing the Elphaba part? Do we remember?

[9:33] Lindsay Pearce: Yes. Yes, cause Caroline was a soprano and she was like, I'm going to be Glinda someday. I hope she's doing okay. She was always really nice to me.

[9:40] Kevin Bianchi: I hope she's Glinda one day.

[9:43] Lindsay Pearce: Same.

[9:43] Kevin Bianchi: So then when was the first time that you saw the show and who was your Elphaba?

[9:47] Lindsay Pearce: That was 2009 in San Francisco. And it was Teal Wicks and Kendra Kassebaum.

[9:54] Kevin Bianchi: I mean.

[9:55] Lindsay Pearce: I mean, I remember the only images of Wicked being the things that I had seen from the booklet inside the CD and like the press images. I had somehow missed the Tony performance. So I had no idea that she went into the air. I had no fucking clue. So this was like, I had no like basis for comparison. 17 year old me was just like, shook, shook, shook to my core, baby, shook to my core. And I turned to my mom and I was unwell, you guys. And when I say unwell, I mean like, do you need to leave the theater unwell? And my mom was like, are you okay? And I just turned and I was like, I'm going to do that someday, mom. I'm just going to do that someday. And I remember my mom being like, okay, like this is this moment for me. And and now here we are.

[10:44] Kevin Bianchi: And then you did it.

[10:46] Lindsay Pearce: Yeah. I wish that I had the program in Ginna Claire's bio is like, she saw Wicked and she told her parents, I'm going to play Glinda. And in my bio, it says, I saw Elphaba fly in 2009. And I told my mom, I'm going to be that someday, or I'm going to do that someday, because that is what happened out of here. It does not go over my head that like, that's a huge deal. And even even in my career, like I sang Define Gravity on Glee Project. And I was always like, man, that would be so cool to do. It's gonna make me cry. I was like, oh, man, that would be so cool to do someday. And I can't tell you how many people when when the the press release went out into the world, they were like, we have been wanting this for you for so long. And I was like, really? Like, it was absolutely nuts.

[11:29] Lindsay Pearce: And like, I feel like Hannah Kornow into you kind of marks a new era that's kind of starting with Wicked where it feels like they're gonna start casting. I've also heard anecdotally that they're gonna cast like new actresses to play the role. And I think that kind of brings a new life into the show. Because usually from what I have heard from the other creatives, and I'm sure you guys know all of this, and anybody who's listening that that is a huge Wicked fan does know like, sometimes you go to tour first to kind of test out and some people like work their way through and it doesn't mean anything most of the time that you get like tried out in tour and then we trust you to go to Broadway. But that was kind of like the mythos of it.

So I was like, great. I didn't and Wicked was my first Broadway audition ever. So I was like, Okay, Elphaba. Yeah, the success rate is 100. Guys, imagine me getting that call being like, what the fuck is going on? Like, I was literally like, what do you mean? I think I did one self tape once for like, beautiful. Oh, but actually going into the room. It had never ever, ever happened. And so but I do remember going into a Jersey Boys tour audition being like, I'm too young for this. It was like 21. And everybody there was like 30, 35. Fantastic. But I was like, I am not supposed to be in this call. What am I doing here? What am I doing here? And, and it just never happened. And in my mind, I was like, this must not be what was supposed to happen.

Or I must need to be moving to New York to go and like do that grind. And I told my I told my boyfriend at the time before he was my fiance, I was like, I'm moving to New York. And then the Wicked audition came into my email. And I was like, fuck. I was like, Oh, my God. Can you walk us through what exactly did you do in your auditions?

[13:17] Lindsay Pearce: You get an Elphaba packet, you get like a packet of things.

[13:19] Kevin Bianchi: What does this packet consist of?

[13:21] Lindsay Pearce: It's so much, so much and yet not what you'd think it was. I'm not that girl, the whole song. And then I think it's unlimited. My future is unlimited. Until the end of Wizard of Nights. I believe the cut because they want that with me. Sure. They want that so bad. Understandably. So we all want that. So extra, extra points if you hold the me into and I'll stand there with a wizard. Oh, you know, then the it's me. So if you care to find me, it's that for Define Gravity. Not no good deed. Really? Yeah. I was like, Come on, if you want to hear me do some smacking. Yeah, I've been doing this in my bathroom for years. I guess they figure if you have the other two, you likely can do the last one. Sure.

And then it's they do the lion cub scene and the witch fight scene. And the I did, I did all of it in the first audition, except for I'm not that girl in my first and on the Monday. And then on the Wednesday, I went back and I did it all again. And I messed up in my cub scene. I was supposed to say you're bleeding. That like, it must have scratched you. And I couldn't remember what was coming. But I was staring at this poor girl that was reading with me. And I and I looked at her as if she was gonna

[14:28] Lindsay Pearce: She was going to say something to me, and she was looking at me like I was supposed to say something to her. And I went, shit. And she was like, you're bleeding. And I was like, you're bleeding. So I don't know if it was one of those, like, I yelled fuck in my audition and that's why they liked me kind of a thing. But I literally was like, do you want me to keep going? I'll just keep going. And they were like, yeah, just keep going. And I was like, okay, great. And then I didn't hear anything. And I came back here to be with my parents for Thanksgiving weekend. And I got an email on the weekend from your agent. And you're like, wow, what's going on? And she was like, they need you to retape.

Something had happened to the file. So they were like, can you go back to the Telsey office in Los Angeles and tape it again? Literally, you guys, I had had a gig that booked me up from 10am until like 7pm every single day of that specific week. And I said, 9am? So I went and I did that tape. And I guess the overall consensus was if she can do it at 9:30 in the morning, we're going to assume that she can do it eight shows a week.

[15:25] Lindsay Pearce: Yeah. And then on the second of January, like a month and a half later, I got the call. Happy New Year. Happy fucking New Year. So we kind of have this theory that every Elphaba falls into a category where they're either a wizard and I Elphaba, a Defying Gravity Elphaba, or a No Good Deed Elphaba. Do you feel like you fall into any of those categories?

[15:47] Lindsay Pearce: I think in my mind, my goal is to be a No Good Deed Elphaba because I really love that kind of everything is building towards that moment of insanity. Yeah. I think that as an actor, I feel like Defying Gravity is like where I'm at in the character now because man oh man what that scene does to me you guys.

[16:09] Lindsay Pearce: Really? Right as I was like beginning to get my groove on my third week, I was like I cannot let this scene affect me this much anymore. That moment of betrayal with the monkeys for me, like where you see and you kind of turn around and she goes back to the book and she's like you can't read this book at all. And I had no idea until rehearsal when they said, you know, the reason why it opens like that and it's red is because they're covered in blood from their wings spurting out and you've done this to them. And this is everything that you said you would never do. And I'll tell you what, a woman of my circumstance and like walk in life being responsible for that much pain, maybe it's fragility but I was literally like you can't cry right now. Like Lindsay and Elphaba was like is that kind of moment of like don't be afraid I'm not it's the wizard who should be afraid of me.

[16:57] Quincy Brown: I just got chills.

[16:58] Lindsay Pearce: Like that's really a powerful thing for a woman to be like they should be afraid of me because look at what they've just created. But I really want to be a No Good Deed Elphaba because I got to tell you I have the most fun No Good Deed. It's so much fun. It's so hard to do. And every time I've run off I'm just like sucking air.

[17:17] Quincy Brown: One especially at that point in the show too. It's like you're that's like mile 24 of a marathon.

[17:22] Lindsay Pearce: Oh my God. So what do you do during the day to like prepare for that? Like how do you do anything or do you just sit down all day?

[17:26] Lindsay Pearce: I mean I wouldn't be mad at myself if I sat down all day. I think because I had had four weeks of rehearsal my rehearsal routine really spilled into my show routine.

[17:43] Lindsay Pearce: Oh. Pretty much I'd wake up and I'd steam and I'd steam before I'd go to bed. Sometimes I'd ice my knees. I would try to sleep as much as possible the night before because it really is the water sleep routine.

[17:56] Quincy Brown: I've heard it's hard to get to sleep after a show.

[17:59] Lindsay Pearce: After a show I'm like revved. So my post show routine is almost as important as leading up to it. Luckily with Elphaba you got to take your time because it takes a long time to get everything off. And you're the first one into the theater and the last one out which is its own thing. But yeah I would wake up I would steam. My nighttime routine would be to fill up a glass of water and put it next to my bed so that when I woke up I would take an entire glass of water. And then I'd sit there and I'd steam and then I'd eat or sometimes I would eat first and then I'd steam after just to kind of clear it all up. Sometimes I'd have a vocal lesson.

[18:31] Lindsay Pearce: So usually Thursdays and Fridays I take voice with Joan later. And so I would go all the way down to 16th and I would take voice with her and she would kind of reset me. And then I felt like I really needed to kind of be a little warm by the time I got to the theater. I'd try to call somebody around like three or four like I call my mom or just to kind of get to get it going. And then I love to get to the theater early so I would get to the theater like maybe an hour before half hour. And I would I would roll out. I would like try to kind of like roll and do some stretching. And I was like an open door policy Elphaba unless it was like a hard day. So I was always trying to get to know people.

[19:06] Lindsay Pearce: And I'm sure you've heard in every Elphaba interview getting green is kind of getting ready. I'd suck on a Gruthers or something and drink some tea and just say hi to anybody that was coming in. Sometimes we'd get notes from the stage manager. And then usually the Elphaba's at least from my experience like with friends talking to me about getting green. Usually they're done before and they get like five minutes to themselves.

[19:28] Lindsay Pearce: We'd get done around Glinda.

[19:31] Quincy Brown: Why does wickedness happen?

[19:32] Lindsay Pearce: Oh wow. Really?

[19:34] Lindsay Pearce: Yeah. And so like I'd get like my hands down and I'd get I'd get everything powdered and I'd have like a minute to myself. And then this is a fun fact that I've actually never said to anybody else. But every time I would pick up my green water bottle and pop like a mint or something in my mouth. And my vocalization would be, okay. And then I'd walk. Got it. It's good. Yeah. And then I'd go and then stand in the back and man oh man.

[20:02] Quincy Brown: So your debut night. Did you have a moment when you were standing behind the doors as they're about to open?

[20:08] Lindsay Pearce: Oh yeah. It was kind of one of those moments. I felt that way. I'm getting like my chest is going like. Talking about it now. And I remember standing back there and it was. Yeah. But you must understand it was a long time ago. And I just remember being like, holy shit. And we are both very young. And all I could see was Gina Claire in that blue and me running past and being like, oh, wow. And then everybody started clapping. And I was like, you can cry later. And then I cried. I cried during Oz dust because my back was turned to the audience. People asked if I blacked out during that performance. And I said, no, but I wish I had.

[20:45] Lindsay Pearce: I remember my second show. I hadn't fully allowed myself to feel. Right after No Good Deeds, you know. Again. And I did the pose. And you have to grab your cape. And you sprint off stage and you turn around. And God bless the Alphabet team. Alyssa's fanning me. Mary Kay is putting my hair in the bun. And everybody's kind of fussing over you for the very final reveal. Craig saw my face and he was like, how you doing? And I just turned to him and I went, I don't think I'm doing okay. And he was like, okay, what's going on? And he's a pro. He's been doing this for years and years and years. And he, it's going to make me cry, but he looked at me. And he said that he saw a brand new Broadway performer surrounded by strangers in a place that she didn't know. In a city that she did not, that she'd moved to a month ago. Surrounded by strangers. And like I had no familiarity, which is exactly Alphabet's experience.

[21:38] Quincy Brown: Wow.

[21:39] Lindsay Pearce: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And even you saying that, that's the first time I've viewed you that way. Cause I feel like everyone assumes she's done TV. She's got it down, but this was like your Broadway debut. It was all new to you.

[21:48] Lindsay Pearce: I was fish out of water. I was person in the air on a broom. And I had a moment of like, oh, everything that I knew is like pre-show and like taking care of oneself in the middle of a contract. Broadway is different. It does not apply here. Or we have to build upon, we have to like shift and lift.

[22:03] Quincy Brown: Okay. So let's talk about the COVID of it all. Cause you kind of started right around the time when like America was starting to be like, oh, this is a thing. What were the conversations like at the theater? Was it, were we kind of prepared for this shutdown or was it kind of out of the blue?

[22:19] Lindsay Pearce: From what I remember on a Saturday, they were like, hey, I'm starting on Sunday through May. We are not having anybody that does not work at Wicked backstage. And then they were like, you don't have to do stage door, but if you want to, you can just like, you don't touch anything. You have someone hold up a program or a playbill and you sign it with your pen. You don't take anybody's pen. And then like three days later, it was like no stage dooring at all. And then we were all kind of like, what's going on? We'd gotten an email that was like, you might see like chunks of seats that are empty if you do don't take it to heart. People are canceling tickets. Like it's not you. It's not the show. Don't be worried. They were like, don't be worried that the show is not doing well.

[23:05] Lindsay Pearce: And then that Wednesday matinee, Jenna Claire was filming something in Florida. And so Brittany was on through pretty much the whole week with me. And I remember we, we went back, we're waving goodbye. And the, uh, the curtain went down. We both looked at each other. And we were like, those are empty seats. Like the theater was maybe. Then the next morning, Alyssa, my dresser sent me a link to, I think it was broadway.com had released the story that it was going to close at like five 30 and then slow quickly after I got a call from our stage manager, the magnificent Mary Beth Abel. And she was like, well, kid. And I was like, I just want to do the show. She was like, you will, I promise. It was kind of like your boyfriend calling you and being like, we're over and I'm not telling you why.

[23:48] Quincy Brown: Were you like at it long enough to kind of start playing around or was it just all so fast and furious before the COVID shut down?

[23:55] Lindsay Pearce: Um, sort of, I was definitely still in that moment of like, I felt it all, all the time, like towards, towards the end, I was like, oh, in order to create like a sustainable show, I do have to learn where to trim and, or find better options to get the same result. Not so much like it was singing and stuff. That was stuff that I knew within like a month or three, I would like lock into, but the acting is kind of what takes a lot of it out of you because it's a lot of, Elphaba is so explosive. There's a lot. And they want that high stakes intensity all the time. Uh, even moments like, uh, it's not her. She's, she has nothing to do with it. I'm the one you want. It's me. Like things like that. They want that, like that intensity.

[24:42] Quincy Brown: Yeah. They want that. They want, she's wicked. They want that intensity.

[24:45] Kevin Bianchi: Right. Lindsay Pierce. Lindsay. This is so good.

[24:49] Lindsay Pearce: Oh my God. Shut your mouth. Thank you. You guys. This was absolutely fantastic. This was so fun. Yay.

[25:00] Kevin Bianchi: Yeah. Lindsay, you were a fantastic first guest.

[25:03] Quincy Brown: I mean, she like taught me so much. There was so much that I didn't know.

[25:07] Kevin Bianchi: Well, what I thought was super interesting was when she was talking about how she was leading this Broadway show and then, but this is her first time on Broadway. It's her first time she had to uproot her life and move to New York. It was kind of just this crazy moment where I was like, oh yeah, no, this was, this is the Broadway show.

[25:23] Quincy Brown: Right. The glamour of it all aside, like she did still move across the country for a job.

[25:28] Kevin Bianchi: And then on top of it all, it's like it's your dream job that you've been wanting for 15 years.

[25:33] Quincy Brown: That's nuts. Especially since it's like the musical theater role too.

[25:37] Kevin Bianchi: Like so much pressure. Literally.

[25:39] Quincy Brown: Oh my God.

[25:41] Kevin Bianchi: Oh my God.

[25:44] Quincy Brown: Oh my God.

[25:46] Kevin Bianchi: Oh my God.

[25:48] Quincy Brown: Oh my God.

[25:50] Kevin Bianchi: Oh my God.

[25:52] Quincy Brown: So much pressure. Literally. Oh gosh.

[25:54] Kevin Bianchi: We have to have her back.

[25:57] Quincy Brown: Yeah.

[25:59] Kevin Bianchi: I want to see her in the show.

[26:02] Quincy Brown: I know.

[26:04] Kevin Bianchi: Well, we'll go. We'll go the first night.

[26:07] Quincy Brown: When Broadway is back. We'll go. We're saying it now.

[26:07] Kevin Bianchi: I love that she is a self-proclaimed Defying Gravity Elphaba, aspiring to be a No Good Deed Elphaba.

[26:11] Kevin Bianchi: We'll go for the sentimental man. We'll be there.

[26:11] Quincy Brown: Honestly, she gave me like her sun, moon and rising. She was like, well.

[26:13] Quincy Brown: Hopefully in 2021. God.

[26:17] Kevin Bianchi: Which I love that for her. I love that.

[26:19] Quincy Brown: And I think it's cool that we got to talk to her after, like she got cut off just as she was like starting to maybe settle into the role.

[26:27] Kevin Bianchi: So it's very cool to like see where she was at. Cause I'm sure if we had talked to her now and she'd been doing the show this whole time, it would be a very different conversation.

[26:35] Quincy Brown: Yeah. So Kevin.

[26:37] Kevin Bianchi: Yeah.

[26:41] Quincy Brown: After all that Elphaba talk.

[26:46] Kevin Bianchi: I think it's time for Kevin's Galinda Corner.

[26:49] Quincy Brown: I was thinking about the section of the show that we were talking about with Lindsay and I was thinking, okay, like what is Glinda's pre-show? And all I could think about was that picture that kind of circulated recently of Kristin Chenoweth dressed and waiting to start the show. And she's like laying down in the corset with like the bodice not on yet. And I noticed that her shoes and I'm assuming the skirt also for dear old shiz are on under the gown, which is like such a dumb thing to like, of course she's underdressed. She has like a 10 second quick change. I feel like so much emphasis is put on like the Elphaba pre-show because it's interesting with the paint and all of that. But like, I would love to hear like what a Glinda does.

[27:29] Kevin Bianchi: And I mean, they're all, they're all different. I'm sure because there's not like that consistency of all having to get green. Is the Glinda makeup that complex?

[27:36] Lindsay Pearce: I don't think it is or intricate. I think Glinda is more about the wigs than the makeup. She wears a lot of wigs because she's the opening wig, the shiz wig, the popular wig.

[27:45] Quincy Brown: It's funny that you even notice. I promise you, Kevin, I have not noticed Glinda's hair change in the bajillion times I've seen Wicked.

[27:52] Kevin Bianchi: Quincy.

[27:53] Quincy Brown: I just don't pay attention to Glinda, I think.

[27:55] Kevin Bianchi: Wow. You really, you do keep up with the Glindas.

[27:58] Quincy Brown: Here in Kevin's Glinda corner.

[28:03] Kevin Bianchi: Well, Quincy, this was a wonderful Thursday evening, talking about Wicked with you. And I can't wait to do it again.

[28:08] Quincy Brown: I had so much fun, Kevin.

[28:10] Kevin Bianchi: I'll see you next week.

[28:11] Quincy Brown: I'll see you next week. I'll talk to you in 10 minutes.

[28:14] Kevin Bianchi: Talk to you in 10 minutes.

[28:15] Quincy Brown: Bye girl.

[28:16] Kevin Bianchi: Bye guys.

[28:20] Quincy Brown: You've been listening to Sentimental Men. This episode was produced, edited, and hosted by Quincy Brown and Kevin Bianchi. Thanks to Julie DiMarzo for our thrillifying artwork. And thanks to you for tuning in. You can reach us at sentimentalmenpod at gmail.com or on Instagram, Twitter, and TikTok at sentmenpod. That's S-E-N-T-M-E-N-P-O-D. Until next time, I'm Quincy.

[28:43] Kevin Bianchi: And I'm Kevin.

[28:49] Quincy Brown: This was wonderful. You guys are so good at this. Keep that on the record. You're so good at this.