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[0:00] Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Ariana Grande. Hi, I'm Cynthia Erivo, and you're listening to the Broadway Podcast Network. Visit vpm.fm to discover more.

[0:29] Speaker 2: Welcome to the wrong cat died. The podcast breakdown of the cat's atrophy. I'm your host, Mike Abrams, and today we have a special guest. She starred as Grizabella in the 2016 Broadway revival of cats. Welcome. Maybe Paris, yeah, thank you for being here. Yeah. Meow. So I want to kick us off with just your history of cats the musical. So did you see it as a kid? How familiar with it before you decided to become Grizabella?

[0:56] Speaker 1: I have a pretty weird history with cats, because when I was a kid, my mom was a flight attendant, right? And one time, when people would leave things on the plane, if they didn't get claimed, she would bring them home. And one time, she brought home this whole thing of cassettes. And I realize I'm aging myself, but there was like, a travel case of cassettes that no one had claimed, and it had, like, wham. And it had, I don't even remember, these ridiculous 80s, 90s bands or something. So there was this two cassette collection of cats, and I had, like, just started getting interested in musical theater. So I was like, this is cool. And I really hadn't heard much of the music before. I mean, I probably had heard memory at some point. Everyone has it, yeah, right, like, in a music box, yeah. But I had never the rest of it, like, no way. And I just kind of loved it. The score is so cool. And, like, electric, I don't know it was great fun. I used to dance around in my bedroom to it, like, I totally loved that. Did

[1:52] Speaker 2: you have a favorite song at that point? Yeah? Oh, totally Macavity agreed

[1:56] Speaker 1: that's my favorite song. Yeah. Well, especially if you're like, a 12 year old girl and you're just like, like, it's kind of sexy. And you're just like, getting, like, into that world, and it's, I just loved it, and I would dance around and

[2:06] Speaker 2: sing the cavity, yeah, not the best role model, but a great song, not at all, but,

[2:10] Speaker 1: I mean, but a really fun song. And then what's funny is, years later, when I was in college, I went to school in New York, and my side job to, like, have money to eat was I bartended at Broadway shows, and the one I was at the longest was cats at the Winter Garden right before they closed.

[2:26] Speaker 2: Wow. So how many times did you get to see it? Oh, God, hundreds

[2:30] Speaker 1: more, maybe 100 but I didn't. I didn't always see the second act because I could leave, like after we cleaned up after intermission, so I usually didn't stay for the second act. Yeah. And so

[2:40] Speaker 2: was that the first time you saw it was when you were bartending. Did you see it anytime before?

[2:45] Speaker 1: I saw it with a friend, probably while I was in school, like the year before I started bartending. I think one of my, you know, one of my friends who was kind of, you know, living in New York on daddy's money, was like, let's go see cats, and bought me a ticket, because otherwise I never would have been able to afford it. And, I mean, it was weird, but super fun. I had seen so few Broadway shows then that I was like, thirsty. I was like, Yes, give me all the art.

[3:17] Speaker 1: You know, I loved how interactive it was, like we were sitting kind of up in the mezzanine on the side, and in the original version, well, they didn't in our version two, just not as much. But they would, like, crawl up on the edge of the boxes. And there was, you know, the cats. They had these float like light up eyes, and one kind of went off right next to me, and I was like, and I thought it was so fun,

[3:38] Speaker 2: and that's why I don't think kids should go to this play, maybe Sarah. Sarah Ford mentioned that she made multiple kids cry. Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure. And so that's why I always ask some kids,

[3:50] Speaker 1: like, are obsessed. They love it. Like I went out once to do memory, and you know, you don't pay a lot of you're in your zone, and you're in character, and you don't pay a lot of attention to the audience. But I noticed when I first came out and started singing, I mean, dead center right in the front row was this little boy who couldn't have been more than nine or 10, and he was, like, dressed up for the theater, and he just was sitting there with his eyes wide open. And I thought, Oh God, I'm gonna scream in this kid's face and, like, traumatize him for life. And I swear to God, this child, it was like, he didn't breathe the entire time. He just watched. His eyes were he was enraptured. It was kind of magical. And I was like, this is kids get this on a whole other level than adults. Was

[4:30] Speaker 2: it? Was it like admiration, or was it being terrified? It

[4:33] Speaker 1: wasn't fear, it wasn't fear. I don't know if it was admiration or just, I don't know kids, the kids who see it, who enjoy it, they just get it on another level. I think, you know, I was talking to some friends of mine about this, because I had some friends that came and saw me in the show at one point. And she said, at one point, I came out at the end of Act One, and Grizz has this little we call it the broken doll dance, because she tries to be like they are, and she's just too far gone. And my friend. Were watching, and this little kid behind her, she said, some like, six year old girl goes, she wants to be like the rest of them, but she's too old, or something like that. And she said her mind like exploded because she was like, Oh my God, that's exactly what was happening. I was too distracted. I think adults are so you're so trying to rationalize everything that's going on. What is this about? What's the plot? And kids are just absorbing what's happening. That's, I

[5:25] Speaker 2: mean, that's absolutely true, because Don't you think, the whole time I watched it, I was trying to figure out what was happening, yeah? Like, I

[5:31] Speaker 1: need something linear. I need someone to tell me what's going on. And kids are just like, wow, what's happening here? Oh, this guy's sparkling. And I don't know, they just, and they get something from it that adults don't get it's kind of cool, yeah, because it's so clearly not like, made for children, but

[5:45] Speaker 2: it's clearly not made for children. No, there's a lot of stuff that's very much not made. Cats are quite sexy. I mean, there's, there's that, there's some of the story lines, if you really dig into it, oh yeah, strip clubs, oh yeah. Mccavity is in an abusive relationship. Oh, my cavity

[6:05] Speaker 1: an awful I think we don't tell them that. We don't, yeah, you know, my COVID, he's a rapist. Like, we don't sing. That'd be interesting if we did.

[6:14] Speaker 2: So you play the main character, or at least the one that's that wins, in my opinion, at the end, I guess graduate, yeah, from kiddie land, yeah? Well, I mean, or murdered, sure, euthanized.

[6:27] Speaker 1: Maybe, I don't know it's ever to each to each his own. So

[6:31] Speaker 2: I want to kind of go into a couple of the rumors and storylines of your character. But first, your character goes through like an emotional roller coaster throughout the whole musical. Yeah? What's that like performing that? I mean, highs of highs and lows of lows. It's

[6:44] Speaker 1: a super cool challenge for an actor, because, you know, she's not on stage a whole heck of a lot, if you think about especially compared to the other cats that are really on stage non stop, even when other cats are performing. And Grizabella is really not. So a lot of people would be like, Oh, wow, you got the princess track. And I was like, I mean, in a way, yes, but also it's a huge responsibility to just show up five times and to somehow, in those short times that you're on stage, create this whole story and this whole arc. And that's a really that was a really cool challenge, and it was a lot of pressure, you know, to you want to tell the story as best you can, the story that's, you know, hard for people to grasp and to sing such a an iconic song, there's a lot of pressure, and it's the last thing you do in the entire show. I mean, you make all these little, short appearances, and then you save the big song for the very end. So it's, you never really get a chance to rest on your laurels.

[7:41] Speaker 2: Yeah, and you do sing the most iconic song. What's it like building that out night after night? Oh, my

[7:47] Speaker 1: God. It was incredible. It was incredible. I loved it. I mean, what? What an amazing song. And you know, it's when you read it. You know, part of my job as as an actor is to interpret what I'm given. And it's such a unique thing to be handed poetry that is a bit esoteric and broad, and have the unique opportunity to kind of interpret it, reinvent it in a way, and make it personal to my cat character and to the story. And for me, that's just, I love that kind of stuff, like I grew up. I, you know, I love Shakespeare, I love like words are just thrilling to me. So I

[8:34] Speaker 2: love that. So I'm glad you said that, because this is what I want to do now. I want to interpret some of the rumors, or just how many people have interpreted your character, okay? And different various parts, all right. So the first thing I wanna talk about is that your poem is not actually in the book, totes, because it was too scary for children, yeah. What? How do you think Andrew the Webber, or whoever is making the directive choice of this said, Let's make that the main character. And then, to your point, have kids eat this up because it's clearly too scary. Everything else is based on this book, but we're going to add this one in here that that TS Eliot said, no, sorry, I don't want to put this in. And is now the basis of the play. Well, and maybe I'm misremembering.

[9:21] Speaker 1: So don't quote me on this, but as far as I recall from the stories I've been told about how cats came about and how they worked with TS Eliot's widow, who gave them the phone that I it sounded like it was something like I said, if I'm misremembering, I apologize to anyone who knows the truth, but no one knows.

[9:47] Speaker 1: my God, amazing. Good. Somebody should, yeah, so I think it was one that TS Eliot really liked and was attached to, but was concerned that it was too dark, and I don't know if he thought it was too scary, but too. Too dark, too dark. Okay, then it might be a little too intense for kids, but, you know, if you're given this unpublished piece about a cat, that sounds, I mean, it's intriguing, because that's the song that the girls sing about me, I never actually sing that song. You know, she haunted many a low resort from the grimy roads of Tottenham Court. I mean, it's, it's like, it's dark, and it's, yeah. I mean, who wouldn't want to put that in? I would want to put that in, and

[10:26] Speaker 2: that's like, the red light district, yeah, yeah. It's needed, yeah?

[10:30] Speaker 1: Like, I can absolutely see why they would want to put that in, yeah. So, one of

[10:35] Speaker 2: the most interesting rumors I found I am very curious about, because I still can't figure out if there's truth to it, how it worked. But early on, the first dance number, there's supposed to be a baby Grizabella.

[10:48] Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, they call it baby Grizz. Now, I don't know if that was always

[10:53] Speaker 2: a thing, okay, there's an interpretation that that is your character reborn, right, witnessing the beginning, yeah, after having done I

[11:01] Speaker 1: don't know if that was always what it is. I mean, I don't know. I wish I knew. So you don't have any insight on that. I don't. Maybe I should, you know, I did that. I did the show a million years ago in basically, like a summer stock situation, and we did the traditional like, as as baby Grizz or as another cat. Basically, I danced in the opening and was part of the opening, but I don't remember if I was told the story of that that was baby Grizz,

[11:25] Speaker 2: because I find that very challenging. It's already a lot to handle first opening scene when there's 2526 like cats on dancing, if

[11:35] Speaker 1: I if I remember correctly, and, you know, like I said, I did it in like, summer stock and but our director had been in the Broadway production of Cats, and knew told us basically the lore that gets passed down. And I don't remember the whole baby Grizz being a part of it, like I remember just naming my cat myself and everything else, but, like I said, maybe that's something I missed along the way because it wasn't in the Broadway revival. So what

[11:59] Speaker 2: about There's a rumor that your two daughters are demeanor and ballerina and, yeah, that's why they sing that kind of negative song. Is because you abandoned them. Oh, what are your thoughts on that?

[12:10] Speaker 1: You know, I don't know. I don't think I would go there, but maybe that's something I don't know. That's, that's an interesting take. You know, I always thought that maybe her daughter was Victoria the white cat. Interesting. Okay, yeah, but that's just a possibility, and that in my mind, if I'm writing the story of Grizabella, you know that Victoria was the cat that she chose to give up to the tribe, hoping the tribe would take her in because she would have a better life. So

[12:37] Speaker 2: how would you write the story of Grizabella, like if you were explaining it to someone who is gonna go see the show for the first time or the movie? Yeah,

[12:44] Speaker 1: that would be some of the lore that I've been passed down, and some of it would be like my creation. I guess I'd love to hear both Well, my my lore slash creation would be that, you know, back in grizabella's youth, she was the pretty glamorous, sought after cat, kind of like the white cat is now as a kitten, she was the one everybody loved and wanted to see and was gorgeous and emulated, and then she was seduced by Macavity, who took her away to a life of basic destitution. You know, if you were to really humanize the cats, then they would be drug addicted and stealing and doing all kinds of bad things, and that he really led her over to a dark side, and maybe she betrayed several people in the tribe, or several cats in the tribe because of that, and then he kicked her to the curb for bomb ballerina. And she well, that's her story. I don't have to get into bomb story, but he basically kicked me out. I was old and used and spent, but the tribe wouldn't take me back, because at that point, I had walked away. I'd turned my back on them, so they left me basically out in the cold to sell myself and try and, you know, stay hooked on the drugs that maybe at some point I gave up a kitten that was either macavities or someone else's, probably, and left her with a tribe, hoping that she would be taken in. And I think that's I like that idea, because the fact that I keep trying to return to the tribe, it makes it a little less strictly for myself. It makes it a little more selfless in my mind, which, you know, any good actor, you want your your character to be loved and positive, yeah, a decent person slash cat on that side. So I think there's something about coming back and wanting to be near her kitten, as well as wanting to return to a tribe where she's loved and cared for. And yeah, and then you do, and then I do. I make every attempt, and I'm mocked, and I'm spat on, and, you know, tormented, until Old Deuteronomy tells them to step aside and take me seriously for a second. And I think he's the wisdom of Old Deuteronomy is that not only does he see. The journey I've been through and the knowledge I have, but by being the leader that he is, that he encourages the other cats to see it as well, so that they actually celebrate me when I'm reborn,

[15:19] Speaker 1: or am I do I die? You know? I mean, the cat is reborn, so to a new life, to a new life, to be a kitten again. So it's like, you're kind of tribe interesting, you know, and, and I don't, they don't say she dies. They say, you go to the heavy side there,

[15:34] Speaker 2: yeah, because they want to make this for kids, I guess. But it's

[15:38] Speaker 1: also like, you know, the heavy side layer is a real place. Now, I don't think that's necessarily what TS Eliot meant, but the heavy side layer is actually a layer above the atmosphere and the ozone above the ozone. So it's a little, it's, it's out there, you know? It's like, where? What does happen to her? Do we know? I don't know. You know?

[15:56] Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very interesting. There's one other room I do want to ask about, okay, about a potential love triangle between bus for Jones, you and jelly Lorem.

[16:04] Speaker 1: Oh, wow, that's kinky. I don't know anything about that. No, yeah. I mean, you know, with the jelly Lorem we had and the bust for Jones we had, I'd be down for it, but I Oh, you're talking about love triangle, not a

[16:25] Speaker 1: find that that's a little tricky for me to believe. Maybe in the old You mean, like back when Grizabella was glamorous, it's, it's undefined. These rumors are something about that doesn't seem like it could be.

[16:38] Speaker 2: would be the bus for Jones. Part would be as kittens. Oh, because the rumors that you two were best friends, yeah,

[16:44] Speaker 1: growing up, or maybe he was a paramour. Could be, he seems like a sugar daddy. Yeah, right. Well, I

[16:50] Speaker 2: think that was one of my take was that he tried to save you from a cavity.

[16:53] Speaker 1: Ah, hmm, Buster, For though. I mean, Buster is so self serving. I don't know that he'd do that unless there was something in it for him.

[17:02] Speaker 2: But you win. So in my take of this whole world, yeah, it's like, America's Got Talent or the voice American. Oh, so you win a million dollars. So now he's your manager. Oh, yes, cut. All right, all right. That's kind of how I've he would take a conceptualize this whole thing, yeah? Because otherwise it doesn't make

[17:19] Speaker 1: a good table at Saturdays. That's, what he wants. He's like, he just wants the visibility. Yeah, that's interesting.

[17:24] Speaker 2: Okay, so you got to play Grizabella. But if you weren't Grizabella, who would you want to play? Or, if I rephrase this question, who's your favorite cat, not cast member character, and who's your least favorite?

[17:39] Speaker 1: Oh, I love Gus. I love Gus, the theater cat. He's so dear. He's so genuine. Oh my God, he's the sweetest. What a powerful song, too. Oh, isn't it just lovely? Well, just breaks your heart. So, yeah, I love Gus. He's probably my favorite, my least favorite. That's tough. I don't know you

[18:06] Speaker 1: you know that, um, most awfully song just goes on and on and on. Really interesting. I mean, who doesn't love most awfully sees magical and he does tricks and he lights up and he dances, but, my goodness, it's like 18 repeats. So maybe misto police because you're at that point like, I also, like, I have a soft spot for Ginny Annie dots, but I'm not a fan of tap dancing.

[18:27] Speaker 2: Well, especially with a bunch of cockroaches. Although that number is so

[18:32] Speaker 1: cute and then the revival, it was really cute. So, so maybe I'll stick with my stuff, please. I hate to say that, though I love them. You know, they're all dear kid,

[18:38] Speaker 2: my answer is still Peter, Peter. It's always gonna be Peter. Why Peter? Because, who named him Peter? Yeah, that's interesting. There's all these amazing names, and then you've got Peter, yeah.

[18:49] Speaker 1: But there's something, like something endearing about people who name their animals, like Karen,

[18:54] Speaker 2: I love it. I'm a big fan. I have a friend who's Whose dog is named Mark, and I love it, Mark. But you don't have all these other like, you have these crazy names, like rum tuck Tugger and Mr. Mustafa is and you've got Peter, and it's, it's in the they're in the naming of the cat, yeah. I

[19:14] Speaker 1: wonder if that was somebody's if TS Eliot, like, that was a joke. If there's somebody he knew named Peter, someone

[19:19] Speaker 2: that he didn't like, I could put you in the book, yeah? Or someone he didn't like, Yeah,

[19:23] Speaker 1: somebody owed a favor to and rather than like, paying him back, he was like, what? I put you in the book. Shouldn't that be enough?

[19:29] Speaker 2: Yeah? Okay, through the magic of podcast time travel, we are recording this before the movie comes out, but when this hits the airwaves, the Zen a podcast thing. I don't know if it I don't know how it works. We can ask, we can ask people, yeah, however this works. The movie will be out, so I'm curious what your take is for the movie. And I've heard from different cast members, very different takes. Oh, really, yes. What have people said? Well, my favorite was Christopher, who got very angry that they have dial. Talk because you weren't on.

[20:01] Speaker 1: Yeah, that is interesting. We call it cheating. It kind of is. It's kind of like when you see a mime talk and you're like, Come on, man, that's interesting. I don't know if that would make me angry, but yeah, that is, that's going to be weird to see, because I'm going to be like, this is, this is very strange. I'm stoked, because it looks so bizarre. And I, in my mind, that's kind of what cats should be like. I have this theory when it comes to cats, because it's, you know, it's such like, everybody knows cats now, and it's such a an iconic like, it's part of our pop culture. But you have to think about, when it came out in the early 80s, how truly avant garde this musical must have been, like, really avant garde, like, not it was really like, artistic and weird and like, and now we're just so used to it. They were like, oh, cats. But I just love that this movie is making people go like, what is this weird stuff? Because I feel like that's totally what cats is. It should it should be weird. It should make you curious. It should make you be like, what is happening? Yeah, and I think it's going to be, I think it is too. I'm stoked. Yeah, that's amazing. I'm excited. So

[21:07] Speaker 2: before I get to my last question, I'd love to hear what you're currently doing.

[21:11] Speaker 1: I'm actually in rehearsals for a new Andrew Lloyd Webber show that's kind of loosely based. It's a review that kind of coincides with his autobiography, which was recently released. So it's the same title. It's called unmasked, unmasked, the music of Andrew Lloyd Webber, and it's playing at the paper, and he'll play house in New Jersey, and it'll be there until, I believe, until March 1. Wow. Yeah, sounds great. And I'm excited. I don't know if I'm singing memory, which is kind of thrilling. I don't know what's gonna happen. I'm just gonna happen. I'm just gonna show up and be like, tell me to sing some stuff. That's exciting. Yeah. Okay, so I

[21:46] Speaker 2: want to get to my last question, yeah. And I now have released all of my episodes. Oh boy, arguing. Why? I don't think your character was the right cat to die at the end, or maybe not die, but the podcast is called the wrong cat die, so I'm assuming

[22:01] Speaker 1: that Grizabella dies, yeah, literally or metaphorically.

[22:06] Speaker 2: Do you agree with me? And if not, who would you make your argument for?

[22:12] Speaker 1: You know, I don't agree with you. I think Griz absolutely should be reborn. Okay? I think she's seen a lot of things that those other cats, no matter how talented they are, they don't have the life experience. They don't know what she knows, and they're not ready to move forward smarter and wiser and ready to be reborn into a new life. I think if anybody was going to give her a run for her money, it'd be Gus, you know, because Gus has seen some things, but honestly, as you know, as charming and as old and as shaky as Gus is, Gus has still got some life in him. Gus a fighter. He's not quite ready to be reborn. I think he's still got some stuff. It's

[22:49] Speaker 2: interesting. You said that because Christopher's whole interpretation of his Gus character was that he didn't have anything left and he didn't have another life to live. So that was why that. But there's a very big team Gus group out there. Oh, yeah.

[23:04] Speaker 1: Well, because Gus is delightful and charming and but that is a wonderful take, and I that makes perfect sense for Chris. His portrayal Absolutely, kind of shows that, that maybe he's lived this is his ninth life.

[23:15] Speaker 2: My take now is tug Sophie's which is, which is the rum, tug Tugger, Mr. Safflies, duo, okay, kind of Burton, Ernie ish of dying together at the end. That's who I think is most, most worthy.

[23:29] Speaker 1: That's interesting. That's an interesting choice. But like, Are they ready to go? I think I haven't even come out with a relationship yet. That's true. Even come forward,

[23:38] Speaker 2: it's pretty obvious what's happening. There's a lot of

[23:41] Speaker 1: on that fan fiction. And I've seen all those pictures, and some are pretty racy. Takes a lot of imagination, but, yeah, yeah, I don't know that's, that's a good you know? That's the thing is that you all these cats have merits, like they all, if they were on the voice, they'd be on somebody's team, exactly, sure, but, uh, but I don't know. It's like a different layer to choose which one actually moves forward, huh? I don't know if Gus is on his ninth life. I don't know who else I would choose.

[24:11] Speaker 2: Would you even put Old Deuteronomy as an option? I feel

[24:14] Speaker 1: like Old Deuteronomy is something else. Don't you feel like he's a little more internal and ethereal, as if he's on a weird, like a 10th life that doesn't exist forever, like he's the Grand Poobah.

[24:25] Speaker 2: How? How do you think? How they handle being on stage during intermission? I don't know if I could have dealt with that as a person, you know, and it blew my mind when it happened the first time, and it was a preview. So no, it's pretty amazing. The second time, everyone went up and got selfies.

[24:40] Speaker 1: You know, what's funny is I had forgotten that that was tradition, that they had done that in the original, because, like I said, I worked on the original, and I was working during intermission, so I probably didn't really notice, but I kind of forgotten. So when I noticed that they were doing that, was like, oh my goodness, I can't believe they're doing that, that that's that's pretty intense. And Ira are. Age manager was like, well, it's always been tradition. That's just what they do. They did it in the original and I thought back to it, and I was like, oh, you know what they did. But you know why it didn't seem so strange and invasive, because there were no PHOTOS ALLOWED. And I remember working there, like, if you didn't work at the bar, you would coat check, and they would make tourists check their cameras. And this is before,

[25:17] Speaker 2: yeah, there's no phone camera, there's no selfie stick coming into the

[25:20] Speaker 1: so they literally would have to have people line up now in this revival to take selfies with, like old, like he was Santa Claus, which to me, is just, I thought that was really obscene. I, in my opinion, I don't think it's obscene for him to be there. I think that's a really interesting tradition. But thinking about it in the original when people would just come up and not talk to him, and just be able to step on stage and be around him, was one thing. But then to have people line up like, it's Macy's like it's singer land, like that. Just, I don't know that's that takes it. Was something out of it. Yeah,

[25:54] Speaker 2: it was an experience. I was very confused the first time. I think most people were, yeah,

[25:58] Speaker 1: I was very impressed with Q, with our whole Deuteronomy, Quentin Earl Darrington, who's just magnificent. This is my second show with Q and I just adore him, and he was such a professional and so good at handling that, because that is tricky. He's in character, and he's playing this character, and yet he's got to be out there and exposed and dealing with people and taking photos, and that's just interesting. I don't it would have been, I wouldn't have wanted to well, especially as Grizabella, there's no way, but, you know, I wouldn't have wanted to be in that position, because that's that's just very tricky at that

[26:27] Speaker 2: point. No one your character is not known to have your positive Yeah?

[26:31] Speaker 1: Try and take a picture of it. Yeah, I dare you. Clawed our way for, you know, clog people for less

[26:41] Speaker 2: well. Thank you so much for being here. Thanks for having me. How can we find you on social media?

[26:44] Speaker 1: You can find me on Instagram. I'm at Mamie Paris, m, a m, i e, P, A R, R I S. I'm on Twitter. At, oh, wait, that's now. I forget on Mamie Paris official. On Instagram, yeah, on Twitter. I'm at Mamie Paris, m, a m, i e, P, A R, R I S, and I am. I do have a Facebook page, public page, but I don't really do much. Don't do

[27:03] Speaker 2: much, okay, yeah, Facebook's you can find it if you Yeah. But like, Come Yeah, look me up.

[27:07] Speaker 1: I try to follow. Follow me, baby. I follow back. Click the link below to subscribe. Yeah. No, yeah. This was great. Thank you

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