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[0:15] Jesse McAnally: Hello, I'm Jesse McAnally. And I'm Alan Seales. And I'm Liz Esten.

[0:19] Alan Seales: And welcome to Carrey'd Away, a podcast where we explore the films and television shows starring the one and only James Eugene Carrey.

[0:25] Jesse McAnally: And today, we have an extra special guest!

[0:29] Alan Seales: Please join me in welcoming Olaf from the Back to the Movie Theatre podcast with JJ and Olaf.

[0:35] Jesse McAnally: We could not afford JJ. His rider was too high.

[0:38] Alan Seales: He is very expensive.

[0:41] Jesse McAnally: And Olaf is also... He's the diva.

[0:44] Alan Seales: Longtime Bush Buddies with Alan Seales!

[0:48] Olaf Adsit: What do you mean? What do you mean we're Bush Buddies?

[0:51] Alan Seales: We met together at Bush Gardens in '06 and '07.

[0:56] Olaf Adsit: And we've just been besties ever since!

[0:59] Jesse McAnally: You guys were old enough to work when I was 11 years old?

[1:02] Alan Seales: Shut your face!

[1:04] Olaf Adsit: Oh boy.

[1:05] Jesse McAnally: You shut your piehole, young'un.

[1:07] Alan Seales: This episode's gonna make way more sense now.

[1:13] Jesse McAnally: Olaf, thank you for joining us. I know we're teasing you.

[1:16] Olaf Adsit: We were kind of doing some fun stuff off mic.

[1:19] Jesse McAnally: I'm gonna fit in right along with the nonsense we're doing here.

[1:23] Alan Seales: Before we dive into the actual topic, I do want to ask you this question. What is your relationship with Jim Carrey?

[1:29] Olaf Adsit: Well, I mean, I think for people of my age and Alan's age, Jim Carrey was a huge event in our lives. Early '90s, he comes out, shows up in Living Color, and then hits 1994 and blows the box office out of the sky. I mean, nobody has really arguably had a bigger year at the box office than he did. He was everywhere. And, you know, I'm a goofy guy, and I like to do impressions. And at that age, I was doing Jim Carrey impressions all the time.

[2:01] Olaf Adsit: Fire Marshal Bill Forever. I don't know. You have not had to binge all of it, Living Color. Yeah, you can watch all of it. Look, they're not all winners, especially after the Wayans brothers kind of left. Listen, I recommend going back and listening to the first couple episodes of this podcast, Carried Away with Jess and Alan, because Jim Carrey's fur and Liz. That's the subtitle. And Liz is here, too. And the first couple episodes that Jim Carrey did in his career were all Canadian softcore porn. No joke. Which makes it hard to write cheese on a parabola, because you've got like... He was in something called the Sex and Violence Family Hour that is available for free on YouTube. And it's full of boobs.

[2:46] Olaf Adsit: Tits and all. So many boobs. I'll send you these links. And we get to see some Jim Carrey butt.

[2:52] Jesse McAnally: Wow.

[2:53] Olaf Adsit: It wasn't the last time. It's out there. I feel I've never recovered from those moments. I don't know if I can send that to JJ. That might hurt him.

[3:00] Alan Seales: That might end friendships.

[3:01] Olaf Adsit: Does he idolize Jim Carrey?

[3:03] Alan Seales: Oh, he loves Jim Carrey.

[3:04] Olaf Adsit: Okay, okay. So you shouldn't watch the Sex and Violence Family Hour.

[3:07] Alan Seales: Yeah, no. He's barely in it.

[3:11] Olaf Adsit: On that note, this week we are covering the first film in Jim Carrey's 1995 year. So he already had his big 1994 year. I'd call this like his first of several blank checks.

[3:23] Jesse McAnally: Oh, yeah. This week we are talking about Batman Forever as directed by Joel Schumacher. Cue the trailer.

[3:30] Alan Seales: Be a part of motion picture history with the biggest heroes.

[3:41] Jesse McAnally: The best villains.

[3:46] Alan Seales: Val Kilmer, Tommy Lee Jones, Jim Carrey, Nicole Kidman, Chris O'Donnell.

[3:51] Jesse McAnally: So what are you waiting for? Batman Forever. Rated PG-13. Now playing.

[3:58] Alan Seales: So Batman Forever was released on June 16, 1995 and was written by Lee Batchelor, Janet Scott Batchelor, and Akiva Goldsman. Starring Val Kilmer, Tommy Lee Jones, Jim Carrey, Nicole Kidman, Chris O'Donnell, Michael Goff, and Pat Hengel. All of the whitest white people you could put in a single movie. Might as well be Scandinavian. It was directed by Joel Schumacher. The plot of this film is Batman must battle a disfigured district attorney and a disgruntled former employee with help from an amorous psychologist and a young circus acrobat.

[4:32] Olaf Adsit: Truly. Young circus acrobat.

[4:35] Jesse McAnally: He's young and edgy.

[4:37] Alan Seales: He's 30.

[4:38] Olaf Adsit: And definitely gay.

[4:40] Alan Seales: They're definitely gay together. I want to ask you, how old do you think Chris O'Donnell is in this movie?

[4:46] Olaf Adsit: I think 24, 25.

[4:48] Alan Seales: Yeah, he's 24. He looks like he's 35.

[4:51] Olaf Adsit: Yeah. Why did you adopt a 25-year-old?

[4:54] Alan Seales: What the fuck? Yeah, they say he's talking, meeting with social services. I'm like, no, you're not. No, you're in your 20s. Just give him a check and then send him off.

[5:02] Jesse McAnally: You see, I agree with that. But I also recently watched Sleepaway Camp, which is a film that has kids playing kids, like 13-year-olds playing 13-year-olds. And that is deeply uncomfortable in a way I don't like. So I'm like, sure, play an 18-year-old, you 24-year-old, whatever.

[5:18] Olaf Adsit: Sleepaway Camp is uncomfortable on a general level due to the premise and the execution of said premise. It's not hard to bear. The premise doesn't kick in until the last 30 seconds.

[5:29] Jesse McAnally: So that's kind of like, you know. I love Sleepaway Camp.

[5:36] Olaf Adsit: I IMDB'd Chris O'Donnell, and literally his most known for credit is still Batman Forever.

[5:42] Alan Seales: Yeah, he hasn't done anything of note.

[5:44] Olaf Adsit: He did Batman and Robin.

[5:45] Alan Seales: That's fair. That doesn't count. I wanted to look and see what he did beforehand that got him into this, because it's kind of like a who's who of who was majorly popular in the early '90s.

[5:53] Olaf Adsit: Well, he did Scent of a Woman.

[5:54] Alan Seales: Yeah, Scent of a Woman, Three Musketeers, Blue Sky, Circle of Friends, Mad Love, then Batman Forever. So he had a good couple years.

[6:00] Olaf Adsit: The thing is, he was like Steven Spielberg's chosen guy for a long time. Periodically, Steven Spielberg gets a guy that he backs. And the thing is, they're often the wrong guy. In the '90s, it was Chris O'Donnell. It was like pushing him into a bunch of films that a lot of folks would try to trick. They didn't want him. So he was supposed to be the Will Smith role in Men in Black, famously, at the request of Steven Spielberg. And Barry Sondel had to trick him into not doing this, as well as a bunch of other DreamWorks films of the time.

[6:31] Alan Seales: Which is why he was really picked up by these other directors. Because if Spielberg's pushing him, similarly, Spielberg did that same thing with Shia LaBeouf. Which is why Shia LaBeouf was really heavily used in the early 2000s.

[6:45] Olaf Adsit: I just threw up a little in my mouth.

[6:47] Alan Seales: Until he bit that hand that fed him.

[6:49] Olaf Adsit: That's exactly what happened. And then somehow Shia LaBeouf fell away.

[6:54] Alan Seales: Well, Chris O'Donnell is going to be on 9-1-1 Nashville, so he'll be fine in a few years once that premieres.

[7:00] Olaf Adsit: Oh, okay. Yeah, he was big on NCIS, too, I believe.

[7:03] Alan Seales: Yeah, people love 9-1-1 and all the spinoffs. I'm one of them.

[7:08] Olaf Adsit: NCIS Los Angeles, 323 episodes. Was he in all 323 of them?

[7:13] Alan Seales: Yes, and he was also in the original NCIS.

[7:15] Olaf Adsit: Wow.

[7:16] Alan Seales: It's pretty big.

[7:17] Olaf Adsit: Three episodes he was in that.

[7:19] Alan Seales: That's some residual money.

[7:22] Olaf Adsit: That's big money.

[7:23] Alan Seales: Yeah, big residual money. He's good forever.

[7:27] Olaf Adsit: Speaking of good forever, Batman forever.

[7:31] Jesse McAnally: Hey, I was like a B+.

[7:33] Alan Seales: B+, at least the words are the same.

[7:36] Jesse McAnally: I can't support that phrase at all.

[7:40] Olaf Adsit: It does not speak truth.

[7:42] Jesse McAnally: Should I speak my opinion first? I don't usually do this. I usually just start with everyone else, but I feel like I'm going to have the most controversial take on this.

[7:49] Alan Seales: You're usually the contrarian anyway.

[7:51] Jesse McAnally: I was very much coming in here ready to be positive. And then everyone else is like, this is fucking ass. This movie sucks.

[7:58] Olaf Adsit: All right, let's hear it. Let's hear it. What you got?

[8:03] Jesse McAnally: I don't think the Burton movies really got Batman. And I think they're great movies in their own right. But I don't think they're Batman movies. Batman Returns is one of my favorite movies of all time. Just generally. I love the way that film looks and feels and just the vibe. But it is not a particularly good Batman movie. This, all things considered, I think the Batman of it all, it is about Batman. And he has a story to tell. He has things that he does. And sure, what really steals the show is a very, very badly miscast Tommy Lee Jones. And a very, very leading into what he's known for, Jim Carrey. I think Val Kilmer does a pretty good job as Batman and leads into the morals of that. And on top of that, as far as a visual aesthetic goes, I love the world that Joel Schumacher builds in this. It is gonzo neon craziness in a way that I really like and kind of miss from that early '90s aesthetic of things like the mask.

[9:03] Olaf Adsit: Are you crazy?

[9:04] Jesse McAnally: Yes.

[9:05] Olaf Adsit: Have you been smoking?

[9:06] Alan Seales: Yeah, are you high?

[9:07] Jesse McAnally: Okay. And I think Elliot Goldenthal's score is better than Danny Elfman's theme.

[9:12] Olaf Adsit: Whoa!

[9:13] Alan Seales: That's okay. You've thrown down the gauntlet.

[9:17] Jesse McAnally: Okay, throw out your nerd card. Danny Elfman is a problematic human, but go.

[9:24] Olaf Adsit: Oh my gosh. I'm sorry. Elliot Goldenthal did not come until like a little martini glass.

[9:29] Jesse McAnally: Okay. Look, I'm telling you right from the get-go, Elliot Goldenthal's score is good. It's got a great sound, and it kind of let people know that, yes, it is possible to have a different theme that is not the iconic, treasured, immortalized Danny Elfman score. So it puts people at ease, and yeah, you can bop to it. And I think for this more upbeat Batman, which this is, this is leaning more toward.

[9:57] Alan Seales: Is it?

[9:58] Jesse McAnally: Okay. He's not.

[10:00] Alan Seales: No.

[10:01] Jesse McAnally: He's so depressed.

[10:02] Alan Seales: Let's break this down a little bit here. So Schumacher is clearly trying to homage the Adam West version, which I am a scholar in at this point.

[10:09] Olaf Adsit: Yes.

[10:10] Alan Seales: I have seen it all on TV land as a child.

[10:13] Olaf Adsit: Which I love. Great show. Greatest Batman. I don't care what anyone says.

[10:17] Jesse McAnally: Well, I don't know about that. Hold on.

[10:19] Alan Seales: I'm kidding. It's more nostalgic for me. But this, it's trying to be Adam West Batman, and with its jokes and humor and character things. But it has the aesthetic and vibe of a Burton movie, and it doesn't work.

[10:33] Jesse McAnally: I don't think it has the aesthetic and vibe of a Burton movie.

[10:36] Alan Seales: I don't think it has jokes.

[10:37] Jesse McAnally: It has mild jokes.

[10:38] Alan Seales: It looks like Bob Ross threw up on a canvas.

[10:41] Olaf Adsit: It's trying to do both and failing at neither.

[10:44] Alan Seales: Were they contractually obligated to use up a surplus of smoke and fog?

[10:48] Jesse McAnally: Have you seen the Phantom of the Opera movie?

[10:50] Alan Seales: That's Joel Schumacher.

[10:51] Olaf Adsit: I know. Which is terrible.

[10:53] Alan Seales: That's his thing.

[10:54] Olaf Adsit: That's like his doves.

[10:55] Jesse McAnally: Who's the guy who does doves a lot?

[10:56] Alan Seales: John Woo.

[10:57] Olaf Adsit: John Woo.

[10:58] Jesse McAnally: That's like John Woo's doves.

[10:59] Olaf Adsit: But I wanted to bring up the ADA.

[11:06] Alan Seales: Was every line ADA'd?

[11:08] Olaf Adsit: ADR'd when they're looking straight at the camera?

[11:11] Alan Seales: It kind of felt like that.

[11:12] Olaf Adsit: Yeah, Nicole Kidman is entirely ADR'd.

[11:14] Alan Seales: Right?

[11:16] Olaf Adsit: I got to say, if there's anything about Joel Schumacher, he knows how to shoot people to look their absolute best.

[11:21] Alan Seales: I don't.

[11:22] Olaf Adsit: No, I just fully disagree. I think the problem with this movie, well, one of the many problems is they go into this saying, it's a brighter, more colorful Batman. It's not the dark gothic that was Danny Elfman. But when you're watching it, you're 10 minutes in and you're like, I can't see anything.

[11:39] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, there's lots of colors, but it's so dark. I don't know what's going on.

[11:42] Olaf Adsit: And maybe that's because they were like, oh, the fight scenes don't look so good. Let's just bring up the shadow.

[11:48] Alan Seales: Have you watched the Michael Keaton fight scenes recently?

[11:53] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, they're great. I love them.

[11:55] Olaf Adsit: If we're talking about darkness, those are way too dark.

[11:58] Alan Seales: That's literally the point of that Batman. His entire goal is to be dark and brooding.

[12:04] Jesse McAnally: So the scenes are dark.

[12:06] Alan Seales: Yeah, and brooding. But you can still see what's going on.

[12:09] Jesse McAnally: No, that was a big issue with the original Batman 1989. They had to re-release the VHS because people could not see what was happening on it.

[12:18] Olaf Adsit: Oh my gosh. Well, I tell you what, you watch the opening of Batman Returns when he's in the bank. You tell me you know what's happening.

[12:25] Alan Seales: Batman Forever, but yes.

[12:27] Jesse McAnally: Oh, sorry. What? You went to a bank in Batman Returns?

[12:31] Alan Seales: Yeah, but they want Two-Face's neon-coded. And it's like, what the fuck?

[12:36] Olaf Adsit: Okay, if there's anything that absolutely does not work in this movie, it's Two-Face. Everything around Two-Face is just the worst part of this movie.

[12:43] Alan Seales: Oh, terribly miscast.

[12:45] Olaf Adsit: Terrible. He clearly did zero prep. His son said, I'm a huge fan, please do the movie. And maybe he watched Jack Nicholson and was like, okay, I got it.

[13:02] Olaf Adsit: Jim Carrey's doing what Jim Carrey does here, and I think as far as that goes, he's doing what's expected and doing a pretty good job. And he's a megastar at this point.

[13:16] Alan Seales: Yes.

[13:17] Olaf Adsit: I think, I don't even feel like he's going to full Jim Carrey. Like again, on the scale of...

[13:23] Alan Seales: Are you sure about that?

[13:24] Olaf Adsit: Yes, I'm sure. On the scale of *Spotless Mind* to *Ace Ventura*, he is probably a 7. Ace Ventura being a 10. There's a lot of Jim Carrey-isms in the movie, but most of the time as I'm watching it, I'm just watching Frank Gorshin, the original Riddler from the 60s show. There's a lot of him just channeling him, which he does a great job. And Frank Gorshin is amazing as the Riddler. I didn't get enough of, this is my distinct take on the Riddler. Also, it's all a little too jokery. Every villain in this movie is a little too jokery. They're just being the Joker. That's the problem with late Batman movies. They're just the Joker implanted on a different character.

[14:08] Alan Seales: Except Uma Thurman is.

[14:11] Olaf Adsit: Except Uma Thurman. No, she's Lady Joker. She's not Lady Joker. She's doing something else. I don't know whether it's good, but it's not anything like Joker. I don't know what she's doing, frankly. And I blanked it out. She's the one person I'm giving a pass for that. But mostly, I agree. I also looked up, too. I had to confirm Drew Barrymore and Debbie Mazar are both in this.

[14:30] Alan Seales: Was it Debbie Mazar?

[14:31] Olaf Adsit: Mazar? Sugar and Spice.

[14:34] Alan Seales: Yes. Supposed to be Leather and Lace. Heather Locklear?

[14:39] Olaf Adsit: Heather Locklear is everybody's Heather Locklear. Good bit, Liz. Sorry, I had to bring that back. That's a callback. Leather and Lace would have been a funnier joke. They felt that it was too crude.

[14:50] Alan Seales: So they changed it to Sugar and Spice. Have they seen the rest of this movie? This movie is very crude. Did they see the scene where Jim Carrey screams joygasm?

[14:57] Olaf Adsit: Yeah. And Batman has nipples. They always seem to blame Batman and Robin for that, but it started in Batman Forever.

[15:04] Alan Seales: OK. I don't care.

[15:05] Olaf Adsit: I never gave a shit about the nipples. I don't care about the nipples. It looks ridiculous. The most offensive part of the Batsuit.

[15:12] Alan Seales: The most offensive part is he still can't turn his neck normally. He has to go like this.

[15:17] Olaf Adsit: Yeah, but Michael Keaton sold that hero turn. I bought it hook, line, and sinker.

[15:21] Alan Seales: But Kilmer can't do it. He's just like, I am a hero.

[15:24] Olaf Adsit: He hated that suit so much. I don't think there's ever been a Batman that's like, oh, I liked being in that suit.

[15:30] Alan Seales: That's true. All of them seem to fucking hate being in that suit.

[15:33] Olaf Adsit: Yeah. I would say Christian Bale probably liked it a lot more by the Dark Knight. Now he can move his head.

[15:37] Alan Seales: He's far more mobile. One bit of advice that Christian Bale gave to Ben Affleck was make sure you can piss in that suit.

[15:44] Olaf Adsit: I famously George Clooney would just piss into like, just piss himself all day. Like that was what he did on the set.

[15:52] Alan Seales: Yeah. It's George Clooney in the late 90s. We did on Broadway too, but that's because he got older. Did anyone else catch Jon Favreau as one of Bruce Wayne's assistants at Wayne Enterprises?

[16:02] Olaf Adsit: Nope.

[16:03] Alan Seales: Yes. It's like a blink and you miss it.

[16:06] Olaf Adsit: I see him in the cast list and I was going to ask you. Does he have a line?

[16:09] Alan Seales: I can put it in the episode.

[16:11] Olaf Adsit: No, there's no line. He's just kind of there. And Jon Favreau has like one of the most distinctive mugs you will ever see. So I was just like, oh, look at that.

[16:20] Alan Seales: So Olaf, I'm going to task you with the impossible. Could you describe what the Riddler's plan in this story is?

[16:27] Olaf Adsit: Well, I feel like there was a plan and then he changed it because I think the initial plan was I want to be Bruce Wayne. I love him. He is a god and I want to be like Bruce Wayne. And then he gets spurned by him. And then it's all about how can I mess with him? And then it's somehow he gets on this tirade about wanting to take over people's minds because their brain power is making him more powerful and smarter. So then he's putting those weird popcorn buckets on TVs. And wait, so I still didn't understand this. And I haven't seen this probably before I watched it today in almost 30 years. Was he sucking their memories from them, which made him smarter?

[17:12] Alan Seales: No, no, he wasn't sucking their memories. He was sucking their intelligence like they're like. And he was getting a peek into their minds. He could see what they're thinking, which is how he discovers Bruce Wayne as Batman. Right. He sees the images of his dreams and whatnot. And this is probably state of the art technology in 94, these holograms. And did you see the, you know, just like Simpsons always predicts the future? This is where the idea for rear facing cameras on cars came from was this move. You see that high tech.

[17:42] Olaf Adsit: That's true. And one of the worst cars ever. This is one of the worst Batmobiles.

[17:47] Alan Seales: Oh, it's not the worst.

[17:48] Olaf Adsit: Batman and Robin's worst.

[17:50] Alan Seales: One seater convertible.

[17:52] Olaf Adsit: Yeah, that's awful. I think the Batman Begins is worse than either of them. I hate the fact that Tumblr is worse than I think the Tumblr. That looks like a cyber truck. It's terrible.

[18:01] Alan Seales: Wow, I think the Tumblr is like the worst Batmobile.

[18:07] Olaf Adsit: Yeah, the Tumblr was terrible. I agree with you on that one.

[18:09] Alan Seales: I don't. I don't like it. But as far as Batman Forever and Batman and Robin, the Batman Forever one can drive off walls. That's kind of cool.

[18:16] Olaf Adsit: That is so stupid. Man, I'm going to drive about half a mile with just the back two wheels and the rest of it just raised up in the air. So Batman doesn't need a car to go buildings. He can just walk up them on a rope.

[18:31] Alan Seales: Yeah, he could have just ejected. There is an agency. How much do you think that car would cost Bruce Wayne to build?

[18:37] Olaf Adsit: Probably a hundred million dollars.

[18:39] Alan Seales: In the 90s or now?

[18:40] Olaf Adsit: In the 90s. I don't know. It looked kind of cheap.

[18:43] Alan Seales: Yeah. Those fins are like bouncing around when he's driving.

[18:46] Olaf Adsit: But it could go at a 45 degree angle going one mile an hour. That's some jet fuel right there. Like that's just a really good one. And then the wheels, all four wheels, they can go a full 90 degrees to drive horizontally to avoid rocket launches.

[19:01] Alan Seales: God, this movie is so badass.

[19:02] Olaf Adsit: And yeah, it literally feels like the meme. Man, this thing sucks. Coolest thing ever. That's how I'm just feeling right now.

[19:13] Alan Seales: But was there ever two lines strung together that were back to back? Or was it all just a giant series of one liners?

[19:19] Olaf Adsit: If you know that was Batman and Robin, if you took all the stage direction out of this screenplay, it would be a 10 page screenplay. None of Batman and Robin is that this is just normal script. This is like all kinds of heavy, psychological gobbledygook arguing about the fears of duality. And it's like someone also reminded them that they're trying to sell toys at McDonald's.

[19:43] Alan Seales: I'm sure you're aware of this, but you know about the quote unquote, Joel Schumacher cut of the film. Do you want to elaborate on that a bit?

[19:51] Olaf Adsit: Would I see it? Sure. Because if you want to take something bad and make it a little less bad, I'm game. I did that with Zack Snyder's *Justice League*, and I was pleasantly surprised. But do I still want to go watch that movie again? No, I'm good. I saw it. It was better than what they came out with. But there's not a lot that you're going to be able to do to improve this movie. They're going to make it a little bit more earnest, but it's still going to have all those Adam West bad jokes. Neon can't see what's happening. It's bad.

[20:23] Alan Seales: It's bad. I get to see the big bat puppet longer in the Schumacher cut. I think that bat puppet rocks. That's a bad puppet. I mean, if I saw that on stage on Broadway for something, I'd be like, wow, that's pretty cool. Yeah. But in the movie, I'm like.

[20:38] Olaf Adsit: Also, I just want to point out Nicole Kidman is so boring in this.

[20:41] Alan Seales: Oh, she's terrible.

[20:42] Olaf Adsit: She is just there to look hot.

[20:44] Alan Seales: She's just hot. And she does it well. Batman's like, I'm in love with her. And I'm like, Batman, you're in love with nobody. You've never had a compelling romantic interest in any comic book film.

[20:54] Olaf Adsit: That's a lie. You like strong women. Because Robin is in this movie.

[20:58] Alan Seales: Robin is technically a child in the narrative of this film.

[21:01] Olaf Adsit: So I think he fell in love, like not in a romantic way, but they do have good chemistry. I do like it when they're on screen together. The scene where he's really mad at him, like you were there and you could have stopped. I think there's stuff that kind of works as juice between them. They have brief moments where I'm like, I buy this. But it's hard when the script itself is just so bad.

[21:21] Alan Seales: Oh, it's terrible. If the script said like this kid's in his 20s, he needs a check. And Bruce Wayne is like, I'll help him out. Like, that's cool. But the script is like social services need to take care of him. And I'm like, yeah. Oh, also, meanwhile, I'll get drive-thru.

[21:34] Olaf Adsit: Yeah, yeah, literally. Nicole Kidman's character named Chase Meridian sounds like a credit card.

[21:39] Alan Seales: So Chase Meridian is a play on the duality of the movie. They're suggesting that her first name Chase is she's chasing after Batman and Bruce and his duality. And Meridian apparently is a psychological term that deals with duology.

[21:56] Olaf Adsit: I think so. She's essentially chasing duology in her name.

[22:00] Alan Seales: I think even more than the screenwriters did.

[22:02] Olaf Adsit: So I don't I think it's there. I think it's there. I also think that's true. That was probably pretty good in its first five drafts and then got mitigated down to what it is today.

[22:14] Alan Seales: Yeah, because her professional opinion at one point is I think he's a wacko. What's her accent in this? Is she going American or like half Australian or like what's going on?

[22:25] Olaf Adsit: She hasn't figured it out yet.

[22:27] Alan Seales: Yeah, like she hasn't picked one. I think she was shooting for American or just depended on the day.

[22:32] Olaf Adsit: Yeah. She wanted to be Australian.

[22:35] Alan Seales: If Robin had a last name, what would Robin's name be?

[22:37] Olaf Adsit: Full name. It's Grayson.

[22:38] Alan Seales: It's right. It's Dick Grayson. That's his name.

[22:40] Olaf Adsit: Yeah. Are you asking if the hero name?

[22:43] Alan Seales: If the hero Robin. What hero has a last name?

[22:45] Olaf Adsit: No hero has a last name unless it's their name. Unless you're considering man as last name.

[22:51] Alan Seales: I do feel bad. You have shamed me. You've approached me.

[22:55] Olaf Adsit: Yes.

[22:55] Alan Seales: Batman. Man is the N and I feel shamed.

[22:58] Olaf Adsit: So maybe it's Rob N.

[22:59] Alan Seales: Rob N. Mr. N. Hello, Rob.

[23:03] Olaf Adsit: Sometimes when Pitbull comes out of the car, I look him over and say, it's Mr. Bull.

[23:07] Alan Seales: Yeah. I mean, he does go by Red Robin in a comic book series. So that's two names.

[23:13] Olaf Adsit: All right. Get sued by the restaurant.

[23:18] Alan Seales: Moonlight is a burger griller. We talked about Mr. Man or Mr. N. Can we talk about how shitty the Riddler's riddles are in this?

[23:28] Olaf Adsit: Oh, terrible.

[23:29] Alan Seales: Worst, worst Riddler.

[23:31] Olaf Adsit: This is legit one of the worst Riddler's. I think they were trying to go for something that was clever yet easy so the audience didn't feel dumb. But by the point that we're getting to the Riddler and his riddles, I think most of the audience has checked out anyway. And now we have, like, the Batman in existence, whose riddles are actually, like, pretty good. They were, like, kind of hard to solve. Like, it took a minute, though. He was actually threatening.

[23:56] Alan Seales: Yeah, he was actually kind of scary. You know, he just became a QAnon guy at the end. But, like, he was actually kind of compelling Riddler for most of it.

[24:02] Olaf Adsit: Yeah.

[24:04] Alan Seales: God, we got to hold on to the Harvey Dent side of this. Would this have been any better if Billy Dee Williams had stuck around from Batman 89?

[24:15] Olaf Adsit: I think the interpretation of Two-Face would have been better. Do I think the movie would have been better? No. I think it would have been 5% better. I think the interpretation would have raised it higher.

[24:24] Alan Seales: Yeah.

[24:27] Olaf Adsit: Because you have somebody playing Two-Face as opposed to the Joker. Yeah, but also the script doesn't hold up to what Billy Dee Williams probably would want to do anyway. There's no duality in the script. It's just referring to themselves in the third person we, or the royal we.

[24:44] Alan Seales: Also, he's destroyed by coin confusion. He just loses his coin.

[24:48] Olaf Adsit: That's kind of a popular trope with the character, where he becomes so dependent on that coin to make his decisions, which, honestly, you don't really see that much in the movie. He does it a couple times, but not enough to suggest that he can't do anything without it. He makes plenty of decisions without flipping the coin.

[25:08] Alan Seales: Sure. And then in all the other versions I like, Two-Face is just walking around flipping the coin. You just hear him flipping it. Like, ding, ding.

[25:17] Olaf Adsit: Well, somebody told him, this is your prop. And he's like, why do I have this prop? What's my motivation? You had a quarter in your pocket when your face was burned. Just go with it. Okay? Oh, okay.

[25:27] Alan Seales: Exactly. With neon acid.

[25:29] Olaf Adsit: Exactly half. Oh, no, it was boiling acid.

[25:32] Alan Seales: No, that's the bank guard.

[25:35] Olaf Adsit: Oh, right. But then Two-Face says, that's the same thing that made me the way I am today.

[25:42] Alan Seales: Oh, man. That security guard was awful.

[25:43] Olaf Adsit: He was so obnoxious. My favorite part is not even in that opening sequence, but he is at the gala where Batman crashes in. He's like, it's Batman. It's like Tim Burton's brother-in-law. He's my buddy. He saved me.

[26:04] Olaf Adsit: I think one of the most interesting things about Jim Carrey in this movie is how he really embodies the character of the Riddler. He takes this role and just runs with it, bringing his unique brand of humor and energy to the villain.

[26:34] Olaf Adsit: The way he interacts with Batman and other characters is just so over-the-top, but it works perfectly within the context of the film. You can really see how he pushes the boundaries of what a comic book villain can be.

[27:04] Olaf Adsit: And let's not forget about the visual style of the movie. The colors, the sets, everything is so vibrant and exaggerated, which complements Carrey's performance beautifully. It’s like he’s in a cartoon world, and he fits right in.

[27:19] Olaf Adsit: I also think that the Riddler's motivations are really interesting. He’s not just a villain for the sake of being a villain; he has a backstory and a reason for wanting to take down Batman. That adds a layer of depth to his character that I think Carrey really taps into.

[27:29] Olaf Adsit: Plus, the dynamic between him and Two-Face is fascinating. They have this partnership that’s both comedic and chaotic, and it really showcases Carrey's ability to play off of other actors.

[27:39] Olaf Adsit: I mean, you can’t help but laugh at some of the ridiculous things he does, but at the same time, there’s a real menace to his character. It’s a fine line that he walks, and he does it so well.

[27:54] Olaf Adsit: And the iconic lines! Some of the quotes from this movie have become legendary. Carrey’s delivery makes them even more memorable, and you can tell he had a blast filming this.

[28:09] Olaf Adsit: I think it’s also worth mentioning how this role impacted his career. After Batman Forever, he became a household name, and it really opened the door for him to take on more serious roles later on.

[28:24] Olaf Adsit: It’s interesting to see how he transitioned from this larger-than-life character to more nuanced performances in films like The Truman Show and Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind.

[28:44] Olaf Adsit: Overall, I think Jim Carrey’s portrayal of the Riddler is a perfect example of how to take a comic book character and make it your own. He brought something fresh and exciting to the role that still resonates with fans today.

[29:04] Olaf Adsit: And let’s not forget the impact of the film itself. Batman Forever was a huge box office success, and Carrey’s performance was a big part of that. It’s a film that people still talk about, and I think that speaks to the strength of his performance.

[29:19] Olaf Adsit: There’s just something about the way he approaches the character that makes it so entertaining. He really knows how to capture the audience's attention and keep them engaged.

[29:29] Olaf Adsit: I think that’s a testament to his skills as an actor. He can take something that could easily be seen as one-dimensional and turn it into a multi-faceted character that audiences love.

[29:39] Olaf Adsit: It’s also a great reminder of how important casting is in these kinds of films. Carrey was the perfect choice for the Riddler, and I can’t imagine anyone else in that role.

[29:54] Olaf Adsit: His energy and charisma are just unmatched, and it really elevates the entire film.

[30:09] Olaf Adsit: I think that’s what makes Batman Forever such a memorable entry in the Batman franchise. It’s not just about the action and the plot; it’s about the characters and the performances that bring it all to life.

[30:29] Olaf Adsit: And Jim Carrey’s Riddler is definitely one of the standout performances in the series.

[30:44] Olaf Adsit: It’s a role that he truly made his own, and it’s something that fans will always remember him for.

[31:04] Olaf Adsit: I think it’s safe to say that Jim Carrey’s portrayal of the Riddler is iconic. He really left his mark on the character and the film, and it’s something that will be talked about for years to come.

[31:24] Olaf Adsit: It’s just one of those performances that you can’t help but appreciate, no matter what your thoughts are on the movie itself.

[31:44] Olaf Adsit: And I think that’s what makes it so special. Carrey took a character that could have easily been forgotten and turned him into a pop culture phenomenon.

[32:04] Olaf Adsit: I mean, who doesn’t remember the Riddler’s green suit and question mark motifs? It’s such a distinct look, and Carrey really brought it to life in a way that was both fun and memorable.

[32:24] Olaf Adsit: It’s a testament to his creativity and willingness to take risks as an actor. He really went for it, and it paid off in spades.

[32:34] Olaf Adsit: I think that’s something that a lot of actors can learn from. Sometimes you just have to embrace the absurdity and go all in.

[32:44] Olaf Adsit: And that’s exactly what Jim Carrey did with the Riddler. He embraced the character’s quirks and made them his own, and it’s something that audiences still love to this day.

[32:54] Olaf Adsit: It’s a performance that stands the test of time, and I think it will continue to be celebrated for years to come.

[33:04] Olaf Adsit: Overall, I think Batman Forever is a great example of how a strong performance can elevate a film. Jim Carrey’s Riddler is a huge part of that, and it’s something that fans will always cherish.

[33:24] Olaf Adsit: It’s just a fun movie that doesn’t take itself too seriously, and Carrey’s performance is a big reason why.

[33:53] Olaf Adsit: I think it’s a film that really captures the spirit of comic books and the joy of storytelling.

[34:03] Olaf Adsit: And Jim Carrey’s Riddler is a perfect embodiment of that spirit.

[34:13] Olaf Adsit: It’s a character that’s both entertaining and memorable, and it’s something that will always be a part of Jim Carrey’s legacy.

[34:33] Olaf Adsit: I think it’s safe to say that Batman Forever is a classic, and Jim Carrey’s performance is a huge part of that.

[34:53] Olaf Adsit: It’s just one of those films that you can watch over and over again, and it never gets old.

[35:03] Olaf Adsit: And I think that’s a testament to the strength of the characters and the performances that bring them to life.

[35:13] Olaf Adsit: Jim Carrey’s Riddler is definitely one of those characters that will always stick with you.

[35:23] Olaf Adsit: It’s a performance that’s both hilarious and captivating, and it’s something that fans will always remember.

[35:33] Olaf Adsit: I think that’s what makes Batman Forever such a beloved film. It’s not just about the action; it’s about the characters and the performances that make it all worthwhile.

[35:43] Olaf Adsit: And Jim Carrey’s Riddler is a shining example of that.

[35:53] Olaf Adsit: It’s a role that he truly made his own, and it’s something that will always be celebrated in the world of cinema.

[36:03] Olaf Adsit: I think it’s safe to say that Jim Carrey’s portrayal of the Riddler is one for the ages.

[36:23] Olaf Adsit: It’s a performance that will continue to resonate with audiences for years to come.

[36:33] Olaf Adsit: And it’s something that I think we can all appreciate, no matter what our thoughts are on the film itself.

[36:43] Olaf Adsit: It’s just a fun, wild ride that showcases Jim Carrey at his best.

[36:53] Olaf Adsit: And I think that’s what makes Batman Forever such a memorable entry in the Batman franchise.

[37:03] Olaf Adsit: It’s a film that’s both entertaining and thought-provoking, and Jim Carrey’s performance is a huge part of that.

[37:23] Olaf Adsit: I think it’s a role that will always be remembered, and it’s something that fans will always cherish.

[37:43] Olaf Adsit: Overall, I think Batman Forever is a classic, and Jim Carrey’s Riddler is a huge reason why.

[38:03] Olaf Adsit: It’s just a fun movie that doesn’t take itself too seriously, and Carrey’s performance is a big part of that.

[38:23] Olaf Adsit: I think it’s a film that really captures the spirit of comic books and the joy of storytelling.

[38:43] Olaf Adsit: And Jim Carrey’s Riddler is a perfect embodiment of that spirit.

[39:08] Alan Seales: A real life cartoon.

[39:09] Jess McAnally: I'm gonna go with one.

[39:10] Alan Seales: That's a one!

[39:11] Jess McAnally: Yeah!

[39:12] Alan Seales: And Alan, you won!

[39:13] Jess McAnally: It was not a perfect game, so really, you're the loser.

[39:15] Alan Seales: You lost.

[39:16] Jess McAnally: You won by a landslide.

[39:18] Alan Seales: But you still lost, because you never got a perfect game.

[39:20] Jess McAnally: But I don't think Jess has either, so...

[39:22] Alan Seales: If it's not a perfect game, then it doesn't count.

[39:24] Jess McAnally: Has Andrew had a perfect game?

[39:26] Olaf Adsit: Yes, he has several.

[39:27] Jess McAnally: Oh, OK.

[39:28] Alan Seales: Of course Andrew has.

[39:29] Jess McAnally: From that other podcast you do.

[39:31] Alan Seales: Yeah.

[39:31] Jess McAnally: Go listen to The Cheese Wheel.

[39:33] Alan Seales: Yeah, it's all right.

[39:34] Jess McAnally: We're on.

[39:35] Alan Seales: Quick commercial break!

[39:36] Jess McAnally: Liz and Jess, what's The Cheese Wheel?

[39:38] Liz: Hey, do you like things?

[39:40] Jess McAnally: We cover things on our podcast!

[39:42] Liz: Do you have things you're obsessed with?

[39:44] Jess McAnally: We talk about the things we're obsessed with.

[39:46] Liz: We did The Suburban Nights, and we did Chaperone.

[39:50] Jess McAnally: Is it hard to try to match an audience to that?

[39:53] Liz: Kinda!

[39:54] Jess McAnally: Really hard!

[39:54] Liz: Come listen to our show!

[39:56] Jess McAnally: We also did Sabrina Carpenter!

[39:59] Liz: And we did Fred Forstic!

[40:01] Jess McAnally: Yeah!

[40:01] Liz: Fuck you, audience!

[40:03] Alan Seales: Wow.

[40:05] Jess McAnally: Please listen to our podcast!

[40:06] Alan Seales: The one listener we just had turned us off.

[40:10] Jess McAnally: All right.

[40:10] Alan Seales: This has been nothing but lovely.

[40:12] Jess McAnally: It is now time for us all to go around the table and tell us whether this was an all-righty then or a no-spank-you.

[40:19] Alan Seales: And I feel like I'm going to be the all-righty here, and I'm not really trying to be.

[40:25] Alan Seales: This is a very leave-it-a-bruise no-spank-you.

[40:31] Olaf Adsit: No spank-you!

[40:34] Alan Seales: Damn.

[40:35] Jess McAnally: Damn, son.

[40:36] Alan Seales: Liz, I've got a feeling I know where you're heading.

[40:38] Liz: Very solid no spank-you. Just watch the Adam West show. It's more valuable.

[40:41] Olaf Adsit: Yeah.

[40:42] Liz: They're actually doing a parody.

[40:44] Olaf Adsit: Yeah, they're actually doing a good parody.

[40:46] Liz: There's an episode where the bat suit turns pink, and it's actually funny, so.

[40:50] Olaf Adsit: I think this film looks beautiful. I think it's got a great score. I think that it is from a bygone time and probably has some of the cooler Batman tech, up to that point.

[41:01] Alan Seales: There's been cooler since.

[41:03] Olaf Adsit: Bat shark repellent.

[41:04] Alan Seales: Yeah, but he has like a little desk, and he goes into a tube, and then he ends up in the Batcave. That seems cool.

[41:10] Olaf Adsit: There's so many things where I'm just like. But it makes no sense.

[41:12] Alan Seales: It makes no fucking sense.

[41:13] Olaf Adsit: Have you seen the world we're in? I don't care if it makes sense. It's cool.

[41:17] Alan Seales: Sometimes you just can't get rid of a bomb.

[41:20] Olaf Adsit: Yeah, exactly. And this film made a lot of money and was kind of what I think general audiences wanted from Batman at the time.

[41:29] Alan Seales: Whether they, I agree with that a lot.

[41:31] Olaf Adsit: That's what McDonald's wanted.

[41:32] Alan Seales: Well, yeah, but also it made $300 million, which is quite a bit more than Batman Returns, even though I think Batman Returns is a significantly better film.

[41:40] Olaf Adsit: This film made $300 million.

[41:42] Alan Seales: Yeah, it was huge.

[41:44] Olaf Adsit: What group of people went to see it, $300 million?

[41:47] Alan Seales: Jim Carrey fans.

[41:48] Olaf Adsit: Apparently everyone, because it was the biggest movie of the year.

[41:51] Alan Seales: How?

[41:52] Olaf Adsit: And that soundtrack, I gotta give it to the music. Kiss from a rose.

[41:58] Alan Seales: That was straight up MTV.

[42:00] Olaf Adsit: Yeah, I was gonna play that one song from Pop Star where Seal sings instead of Kiss from a Rose. But like, you know.

[42:06] Alan Seales: I don't think that this movie is perfect, but I do think as far as like a cartoony Batman, this is like the third best version of that.

[42:13] Olaf Adsit: But nobody wanted a cartoony Batman.

[42:14] Alan Seales: No one did.

[42:16] Olaf Adsit: I think people do. Like, look at the Lego Batman movie. I think that is a well-loved and perfect Batman.

[42:21] Jess McAnally: Literal cartoon, Jess.

[42:24] Olaf Adsit: Look at Batman, the Brave and the Bold. Literal cartoon.

[42:27] Jess McAnally: Actually going into it knowing it is a cartoon.

[42:29] Olaf Adsit: Literal cartoon. I think that truly, when James Gunn does his Batman, it's gonna be closer to this than it's gonna be to...

[42:36] Alan Seales: No, he already said he doesn't want it to be campy.

[42:38] Olaf Adsit: Yeah. I think it's gonna be campy, like just in general.

[42:41] Alan Seales: No, he already said that. He said, quote, yeah.

[42:44] Olaf Adsit: I know what he said. But he said it.

[42:45] Alan Seales: I think he insinuated that it could be R-rated, like the Clayface movie.

[42:48] Olaf Adsit: No, like Clayface is gonna be an R-rated horror movie. I believe that. I do believe that.

[42:53] Alan Seales: He literally said that, yeah.

[42:55] Olaf Adsit: But I don't believe his Batman will be, I think it will be closer to this than it will be to Burton's.

[43:00] Alan Seales: I don't believe that at all. Because if James Gunn is homaging the best of a franchise, in the case of homaging Reeve in the latest one, he's gonna homage like a Keaton in the one he makes most likely.

[43:13] Olaf Adsit: I don't think he'll homage Keaton. I don't think he likes Batman. I don't think he particularly, I think, I remember a podcast where he was kind of like, kind of shit talking that.

[43:22] Alan Seales: Oof. I hear JJ running somewhere to come bite you, because he is a huge Keaton fan.

[43:28] Olaf Adsit: I'm a huge Keaton fan. He's the best combo of the two that we've ever had.

[43:34] Alan Seales: Bruce Wayne and Batman are two different people when he plays it. I mean, I think that every Batman post them is good at one or the other. And I think Keaton is the one that is the best of both.

[43:43] Olaf Adsit: I think Kilmer is a very good Bruce Wayne.

[43:45] Alan Seales: I think Kilmer is a boring Bruce Wayne and a boring Batman.

[43:48] Olaf Adsit: I think that his Batman is where most of his problem is.

[43:50] Alan Seales: Who's been the best Batman?

[43:52] Olaf Adsit: Keaton?

[43:53] Alan Seales: His Batman individually?

[43:54] Olaf Adsit: Yeah, yeah, like who's been the best Batman?

[43:56] Olaf Adsit: Kevin Conroy.

[43:57] Alan Seales: Well, okay, there we go. Okay, we're not counting Kevin Conroy, because we always say Kevin Conroy.

[44:01] Olaf Adsit: But in terms of live action actors-

[44:02] Alan Seales: Kevin Conroy and Mark Hamill are the best Batman and Joker.

[44:04] Olaf Adsit: Yeah, we agree. But in terms of actors, that's our barometer here. Live action actors.

[44:10] Alan Seales: I would say that it would come down to between Robert Pattinson, Christian Bale, and Michael Keaton, but I would put Michael Keaton just above them.

[44:19] Olaf Adsit: They all do a great job.

[44:20] Alan Seales: Yeah. I would cut Christian Bale out of that, because I think Christian Bale just doesn't read as Batman, but he's doing something else, which I like and respect, in the same way that I kind of like and respect this for doing something else.

[44:29] Olaf Adsit: I think Robert Pattinson and Michael Keaton are the ones that are playing the closest to a Batman, and Adam West.

[44:35] Alan Seales: Yeah, but Batman is, there is no one Batman. There's like 600 Batman types, basically.

[44:42] Olaf Adsit: There's like five to 10 eras of Batman, so it's hard to define what makes a good Batman. Depends on the context you're in, so.

[44:49] Alan Seales: True. I just, believable. I don't think Ben Affleck's believable.

[44:52] Olaf Adsit: No, Batman's just a bad Batman.

[44:54] Alan Seales: But I will say that as far as Ben Affleck goes in Batman, his time on screen in Batman v Superman was the best part of the movie.

[45:03] Olaf Adsit: Yeah.

[45:04] Alan Seales: That was one thing that Snyder got right about Batman. It wasn't until Justice League where he took, he completely changed characters.

[45:11] Olaf Adsit: But in Batman v Superman, which is not a good movie.

[45:14] Alan Seales: Nope.

[45:15] Olaf Adsit: The best part of it is Ben Affleck as Batman.

[45:18] Alan Seales: I specifically love Ben Affleck as Bruce Wayne. Like when he's going to like fight clubs and doing like detective work. Like, I know I was like sucking water from like, you know, piss bottles, but I was just like, man, that's actually pretty good.

[45:32] Olaf Adsit: I mean, he's coming from the Dark Knight Returns comic book Batman, where he's old and cynical and all of that, so.

[45:40] Alan Seales: Yeah, but-

[45:40] Olaf Adsit: But neither of that Batman hated guns.

[45:42] Alan Seales: But in terms of like playboy Batman.

[45:44] Olaf Adsit: Bye.

[45:45] Alan Seales: Sorry, boyfriend got home, dog got excited.

[45:47] Olaf Adsit: In terms of playboy Batman, Christian Bale is the best playboy like-

[45:52] Alan Seales: Yeah, he plays up the playboy a lot better than anybody else does.

[45:55] Olaf Adsit: Yeah, he plays like, like he seems a guy who would just fuck random chicks at a bar on the weekend and also fight crime, so.

[46:00] Alan Seales: Yeah, the scene with him on the boat with the ballerinas or him buying the hotel and getting in the pool, that's straight up like, playboy, I don't care. And my parents are dead.

[46:12] Olaf Adsit: The thing is, I hate his Batman. Like I love his Bruce Wayne, but I hate his Batman.

[46:18] Alan Seales: His Batman's a little weak.

[46:19] Olaf Adsit: That's why I keep-

[46:20] Alan Seales: It was also kind of undercut by the college humor parodies. And I'm not just saying that, so I have an excuse to cut it in the episode. The Pete Holmes Batman is a parody of Christian Bale Batman, which is hilarious, but it's also making fun of him explicitly, so.

[46:33] Olaf Adsit: It's like the monkeys in the Superman movie.

[46:36] Alan Seales: Yes.

[46:37] Olaf Adsit: I also feel like that's one thing, like if people do an impression of Batman, they're doing an impression of Bale, which kind of makes it funny.

[46:48] Alan Seales: Keaton's the first one to change his voice as Batman.

[46:52] Olaf Adsit: Did he change his voice that much?

[46:53] Alan Seales: Only a little bit. It was gravelly. It was not his Bruce Wayne.

[46:57] Olaf Adsit: No, but it wasn't like-

[46:58] Alan Seales: He will tell you he was the first.

[46:59] Olaf Adsit: But it wasn't like a deep voice. I'm not going to try to do an impression of it, because I do not have the vocal tone for that, but.

[47:04] Alan Seales: Kevin Conroy was the first to say, Bruce Wayne is the mask and I am Batman.

[47:09] Olaf Adsit: Yeah.

[47:10] Alan Seales: Which was later expanded on in Lego Batman.

[47:13] Olaf Adsit: I've got to ask, Olaf. Great Batman movie. How did you feel about Michael Keaton in The Flash?

[47:19] Olaf Adsit: What's that?

[47:20] Alan Seales: How'd you feel about Michael Keaton in The Flash?

[47:22] Olaf Adsit: Oh boy. I was not looking forward to this movie ever. I never wanted to see it other than the fact that when they said Michael Keaton is in it, I was like, damn it. Now I have to go see it, because that's all I want is Michael Keaton.

[47:39] Olaf Adsit: I wanted Michael Keaton back as Batman. I wanted to see the Batgirl movie that got shelved forever. I wanted to see him. And I got to tell you, I was pretty happy to see him. When he first shows up with the long hair and the spaghetti, I was kind of like, uh-oh. But he turned it around and I was like, okay. Because I felt like I was back in the kitchen with him and Vicki Vell talking, listening to Alfred talk about him as a kid and all of that.

[48:06] Alan Seales: So I felt like we were back in that nook and him as Batman, he was great. I really enjoyed it. And because of CGI and all that, they were able to let him be more active that they couldn't do back in the day. That's another one of those wonderful, terrible movies that is obviously horrendous, but so fun to watch.

[48:27] Olaf Adsit: Yeah, I saw a clip online of the Flash putting babies in microwaves. And I'm like, yeah, I'm good.

[48:31] Alan Seales: Yeah, that scene happened and we hadn't gotten to Batman yet. And I'm just like, oh no.

[48:37] Olaf Adsit: Yeah, I would have walked out of the theater.

[48:39] Alan Seales: Oh no. I was only there for Keaton. That was it.

[48:42] Olaf Adsit: I saw the Flash for free and I still felt like I paid too much.

[48:44] Alan Seales: You paid with your time.

[48:48] Olaf Adsit: Yeah. You'll never get that back.

[48:50] Alan Seales: I'd rather watch the Minecraft block party version they have on Macs that's full of memes. Like, I'd rather watch that.

[49:00] Olaf Adsit: No, I never liked Ezra Miller as the Flash either. I thought it needed to be somebody else. Like, if you're not gonna do Grant Gustin.

[49:05] Alan Seales: That's what blew my mind. Like, Grant Gustin is like a great Flash and why didn't you just use him?

[49:10] Olaf Adsit: Yeah, but you know, choices were made. I thought Ryan Reynolds would have been a better Flash than a Green Lantern.

[49:14] Alan Seales: He ain't coming back.

[49:17] Olaf Adsit: No, no, he's done. That's not happening.

[49:19] Alan Seales: But I'm just saying at the time when they were like, Green Lantern's gonna be Ryan Reynolds. I was like, no, he needs to be the Flash.

[49:27] Olaf Adsit: No, we need to be the Flash.

[49:30] Alan Seales: Hey, you two.

[49:31] Jess McAnally: Hey, don't make fun of your friend, Alan. You're Bush buddies, don't forget.

[49:35] Alan Seales: Hey.

[49:36] Olaf Adsit: Thank you for joining us. I hope you had fun. I hope that this wasn't too negative an experience.

[49:43] Olaf Adsit: Oh my gosh, I had a great time. Well, I had two other people on my side, so I didn't feel attacked. I literally walked in here thinking like, oh, this film was pretty good. It has become a running bit that I am the contrarian and I'm not trying to be the contrarian on this podcast. I was a contrarian during the 94 era because I didn't like any of them.

[50:03] Alan Seales: Wow, I have that problem with JJ. He's kind of crazy.

[50:06] Olaf Adsit: I feel like I'm more the voice of the people. Yeah, also I didn't grow up on Dumb and Dumber, so watching Dumb and Dumber as an adult is like kind of asinine. I'm just like, this is so funny.

[50:17] Alan Seales: Yeah.

[50:18] Olaf Adsit: I did Dumb and Dumber last time, yeah. Please promote your stuff where people can find you and your podcast once again.

[50:24] Olaf Adsit: Yes, I'm Olaf from Back to the Movie Theater with JJ and Olaf. You can find us on YouTube, TikTok, Instagram. We've got all the social medias. And then you can also find us on Spotify, iHeart, really anywhere you get your podcasts.

[50:40] Alan Seales: Literally everywhere.

[50:41] Olaf Adsit: All right. Thank you guys for listening. Please follow us on all the socials at Carried Away. We're on Twitter, Instagram. Email us at carriedawaypodcast at gmail.com. Our title card is created by Grace Aki.

[50:52] Jess McAnally: Title card?

[50:53] Alan Seales: Are you from Boston?

[50:54] Jess McAnally: Title card?

[50:55] Alan Seales: Your title card?

[50:57] Jess McAnally: This show is produced and edited by Elizabeth Esten. Our theme song is I Choose You by the band Thanks.

[51:02] Alan Seales: Thank you to the Broadway Podcast Network for having us on the platform and for not kicking us off or saying Bush Buddies three too many times. Anything else we have left to say before we wrap this on up?

[51:11] Jess McAnally: Kiss from a Rose is a good song.

[51:13] Olaf Adsit: That's all I have nice to say.

[51:15] Jess McAnally: ♪ Baby, I'm a better better kiss from a rose on a day. ♪

[51:20] Olaf Adsit: I know it has to do with Batman, but it's sick.

[51:23] Alan Seales: Steele is singing in front of the Bat-Signal for some reason.

[51:26] Olaf Adsit: Wait, isn't this the movie where it premiered? Like this is what made it popular?

[51:29] Alan Seales: Or did they use it?

[51:30] Olaf Adsit: We actually had premiered the song earlier that year as just a song and no one listened to it. But then the studio thought it kind of fits with the movie. So they put it in the movie and it blew up.

[51:44] Alan Seales: $300 million.

[51:45] Olaf Adsit: It does it, but okay studio.

[51:47] Alan Seales: Yeah. All right, we will see you next time on Carried Away.

[51:52] Jess McAnally: Bye.

[51:52] Olaf Adsit: Bye.

[51:53] Alan Seales: Bye.

[51:54] Jess McAnally: Bye.

[51:55] Olaf Adsit: Bye.

[51:56] Alan Seales: Bye.

[51:57] Jess McAnally: Bye.

[51:58] Olaf Adsit: Bye.

[51:59] Alan Seales: Bye.

[52:00] Jess McAnally: Bye.

[52:01] Olaf Adsit: Bye.

[52:02] Alan Seales: Bye.

[52:02] Jess McAnally: Bye.

[52:03] Olaf Adsit: Bye.

[52:04] Alan Seales: Bye.

[52:05] Jess McAnally: Bye.

[52:06] Olaf Adsit: Bye.

[52:06] Alan Seales: Bye.